What is with people?

[van_arn]

Sure, feel free to message me anytime.

So basically, feel free to message him. Except he changed his name in an attempt to stop the messaging.

[OurMom]

So basically, feel free to message him. Except he changed his name in an attempt to stop the messaging.

All you have to do is google his old name (its in the screenshot) and it'll take you to his lodestone. Changing your name doesn't do much in this game.

[redcurrant18]

People are very sensitive these days. Honestly you're better off letting it slide off or at least have some fun with it. People in a run don't like me? I spam emotes, especially the ones I made using macros, and leave them to their fate It's been a while since I've had drama in a dungeon/raid though, except in Heaven on High a while back because I didn't feel like chasing silver chests and made a post about it. People just play different is all.

[Vidu]

People are very sensitive these days. Honestly you're better off letting it slide off or at least have some fun with it. People in a run don't like me? I spam emotes, especially the ones I made using macros, and leave them to their fate It's been a while since I've had drama in a dungeon/raid though, except in Heaven on High a while back because I didn't feel like chasing silver chests and made a post about it. People just play different is all.

There is a difference between "people playing different" and "people playing in a way that prevents the rest of the party to clear the content in question".

I suppose you're trying to be nice to the OP here and I agree with letting that insult slide (or just reporting it silently) being not to bad of an advice, seeing how this got blown out of proportion a bit, but the subtext of "Just do what you want and dont care what people say" is really bad advice, specially in this case.
I dont know if you went through the whole thread, but you basically just told someone who was offtanking, yet in tankstance and spamming their aggro-combo, stealing the boss from the actual maintank, then proceded to place the boss in a manner that turned 90% of the arena into "the floor is actual lava that will kill you" instead of only about 50% and consequently caused a wipe - while also not responding to anything his party said to him... and you told that someone that its okay to just play differently.

People did not "didnt like him", because he was playing a Roegadyn or because of his glamour, but because of his actions which were directly harmful to the success of their run. His actions already appear as griefing and harrassing - add silly emote-spam to it, and I can only hope the GMs will see it the same way. That party would have been better off if he left them to their fate, because that fate could have easly been: Get a tank in who knows basic gameplay at level 70 and clear the raid.

If people in a run didnt like me, my first thought would be "Okay, what could be the reason for that?" and only after I have definitly established that the fault doesnt lie with me - if anything, by asking my party if they'd like me to change anything about the way I'm handling stuff right now - I'll conclude that they are a bunch of jerks who can look for a new tank/healer now.
Dont get on a high horse before you've figured out if you actually belong there - making fun of people who are legit upset about you because you're the one whos wiping them or making them all work an awful lot harder is the absolute worst thing to do in such a situation, because it shows that you lack one fundamental skill thats required for any group-content: team-work.

A paladin opener can vary between starting off with casting Holy Spirit - or with your actual offtank-melee-combo and you applying your DoT. You can also play differently in terms of actual skill in the sense of how well you manage to time your buffs and dots and how often you remember to use support-skills. Thats all "people play different".
But at somepoint its not "playing different" its "playing bad". Spamming aggro-combos when OT is playing bad, not "different".
As RDM you can play different in the sense of starting with your Thunder/Fire-casts or Stone/Wind - starting with your melee-combo and only hitting that while never touching your casts is not "playing different", its playing bad.

...there is a huge difference between having a slightly different, but legit approach at a class and just plainly ignoring 70% of your skills and not really understanding the other 30%.
Please - dont go around and tell people who need to improve that its okay to play different, because then they'll feel validated.
Tell them that its okay that they still need to learn - and if you can, help them with that!

But while we can kick for something called "Difference in Playstyle" that doesnt mean that the person who got kicked for that just picked an approach the party didnt like - the real reason they got kicked might very well have been "horrible playstyle", but obviously SE cant say that.

In short: Dont support bad playstyle or harrassing behaviour.

[xMysticx]

There is a difference between "people playing different" and "people playing in a way that prevents the rest of the party to clear the content in question".

I suppose you're trying to be nice to the OP here and I agree with letting that insult slide (or just reporting it silently) being not to bad of an advice, seeing how this got blown out of proportion a bit, but the subtext of "Just do what you want and dont care what people say" is really bad advice, specially in this case.
I dont know if you went through the whole thread, but you basically just told someone who was offtanking, yet in tankstance and spamming their aggro-combo, stealing the boss from the actual maintank, then proceded to place the boss in a manner that turned 90% of the arena into "the floor is actual lava that will kill you" instead of only about 50% and consequently caused a wipe - while also not responding to anything his party said to him... and you told that someone that its okay to just play differently.

People did not "didnt like him", because he was playing a Roegadyn or because of his glamour, but because of his actions which were directly harmful to the success of their run. His actions already appear as griefing and harrassing - add silly emote-spam to it, and I can only hope the GMs will see it the same way. That party would have been better off if he left them to their fate, because that fate could have easly been: Get a tank in who knows basic gameplay at level 70 and clear the raid.

If people in a run didnt like me, my first thought would be "Okay, what could be the reason for that?" and only after I have definitly established that the fault doesnt lie with me - if anything, by asking my party if they'd like me to change anything about the way I'm handling stuff right now - I'll conclude that they are a bunch of jerks who can look for a new tank/healer now.
Dont get on a high horse before you've figured out if you actually belong there - making fun of people who are legit upset about you because you're the one whos wiping them or making them all work an awful lot harder is the absolute worst thing to do in such a situation, because it shows that you lack one fundamental skill thats required for any group-content: team-work.

I never was griefing or harassing, nor did i emote spam now your just flat out lying, if you have a personal vendetta against me i suggest not in forums, i'm just gonna go ahead and agree with redcurrant18 because at this point it's silly to continue this.

[Rymm]

I never was griefing or harassing, nor did i emote spam now your just flat out lying, if you have a personal vendetta against me i suggest not in forums, i'm just gonna go ahead and agree with redcurrant18 because at this point it's silly to continue this.

You obviously still need to work on your communication skills. I highly recommend you re-read Vidu's post, because you took everything she said out of context. Her point was- your playing style was so unapologetically terrible that it's impossible for people to tell if you really are just that bad or if you were being that bad on purpose to grief the rest of the party. And that adding emote spam to it (as redcurrant18 very poorly suggested you do) would only add more weight to the "he's probably trolling us" belief.

Agreeing with reducrrant18 in this case is a mistake. Please reconsider it. Don't side with someone just because he patted your head and gave you a cookie and told you not to listen to those meanies on the OF or you party. In this particular instance, the meanies have a valid point and you have a good lesson to learn from it if you are willing to listen.

[AxlStream]

So this thread didn't reveal only 1 problem player but 2. Interesting.

[Vidu]

I never was griefing or harassing, nor did i emote spam now your just flat out lying, if you have a personal vendetta against me i suggest not in forums, i'm just gonna go ahead and agree with redcurrant18 because at this point it's silly to continue this.

I wasnt even replying to you at that point, but to redcurrant18 because I was considering his advice to be a bad one and wanted to comment on that.

You might not have been intentionally griefing, but never the less: It were your actions that caused the wipe and it were actions that could very well be interpreted as "Oh, this guy is just trolling". Your party cant read your mind to know that you just dont know what you're doing.
They could read that, if you'd only type it out in partychat and ask for advice though.

I'd very much advice you to start working with your parties - letting them know that you're new and trying to improve and would welcome (polite) advice could go a long way.
Instead you choose to agree with someone whos suggesting to even make fun of the parties you're in once they signal you that they dont approve of you or your playstyle - bravo! You obviously still dont understand what your fundamental problem is.

[Bright-Flower]

In short: Dont support bad playstyle or harrassing behaviour.

Exactly.

There's a phrase 'my right to swing my fist ends at the other man's nose.' Or something like that.

It's fine if your rotation isn't perfect or you make mistakes here and there, but when what you do keeps the group from succeeding there's a problem. As far as spamming enmity as the off tank, I can see someone doing that JUST ENOUGH to make sure they're number 2 in enmity so that if the MT dies the boss goes right to them, but that's it. Like you say doing it until the boss turns to you is bad.

Sure people have a right to 'play how they want' but in cooperative content like this, other people have a right to dismiss you if you're not up to snuff. So far in Alphascape I haven't seen ANYONE get vote kicked unless they disconnected and didn't come back within a couple minutes. Including Chaos and Midgar runs where dps was so low the aether meter got up to 98% before the dps check was cleared, but nobody was getting kicked.

Flukes may happen here and there, but if someone is frequently getting vote kicked for poor performance, the problem probably isn't with the rest of the group.

Now I'm not saying kicking should be the first recourse, offer constructive criticism and advice first. Like 'go sword oath if you're off tanking' or 'keep heavy thrust up on the boss so you'll do more damage' or 'use your aoe on track packs.' Or whatever for the situation, but if people refuse to take helpful advice and continue to drag down the group, don't carry them.

[Rokke]

can't wait to tune in for the next episode