How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[SleepyNeko]

In NA, players are dropped when they're the ones holding back the party. Parties will disband when multiple people are failing especially when its a farm party. And there's always a reason why the party keeps failing, with it usually being players not knowing the mechanics, not knowing how to play their class, or their lack of coordination. The only thing an official parse will do, is atleast help those who have no idea what they're doing and point out what they're doing wrong instead of being carried along from the start. The worst being gating those kinds of people from parties that they have no place in at all.

How are practice parties or first time clear parties treated in NA? Do players get kicked immediately before the raid even starts because they are vetted through FFlogs?

I agree there should be some performance expectations on farm groups.

[HyoMinPark]

I've read that some people used to use Dummies to calculate dps, not sure how it worked but maybe that can be used.

Dummies are great to practice your rotations on, sure, but not to calculate your DPS because dummies have much more health on them in order to make up for the fact that you're not dodging mechanics.

Additionally, the dummies do not take into account any sort of raid buffs, with heavily influence the amount of personal DPS a player is doing. Especially for some jobs that are reliant on others for a portion of their damage (e.g., BRD/MCH are reliant on a DRG for 5% of their damage; BRD is reliant on DRG/SCH for crit buffs; etc.).

How are practice parties or first time clear parties treated in NA? Do players get kicked immediately before the raid even starts because they are vetted through FFlogs?

I agree there should be some performance expectations on farm groups.

On NA, people doing learning/clear parties in PF, and state the amount of progress required to enter (e.g., fresh prog; blind prog; add phase; final phase; enrage clear). After they clear, they generally do farm parties (also in PF) stating “FARM” and usually naming the strat being used.

Players that set up the farm parties right automatically exclude those who haven’t cleared by selecting the appropriate PF options (Duty Complete); for those who don’t set it up properly to exclude bonuses, if they zone in and see a bonus, they ask who has the bonus. They can either opt to help the person, or they exit out of the duty and automatically disband the entire party. It tends to be the latter, as the party was set up for the purpose of farming (as stated in the description), and the person who hasn’t clear snuck into the party without being honest that they hadn’t cleared the content—the person with the bonus usually tends not to speak up regardless, so that doesn’t help.

I am hesitant to help people who sneak into farms, because every time I have, they have clearly never been to enrage as they claim and they are more so of a hinderance to the progression of the farm. I remember pugging Sigmascape and in V6S the weekly 2-chest group I was in had a RDM join who had “seen enrage”, and then proceeded to die to every mechanic. Eventually they were just left dead on the floor because it was too much on the healer’s MP to continue raising them.

[SleepyNeko]

Snip.

I see, thank you for your reply. A bit off topic now, but does "Duty Complete" from duty finder not work when you are in a Party?

On topic: I'm not against using parser for yourself to help improve your performance, but as many others have pointed out, all the people who wishes to use parsers already use them, so what benefits do we gain by making an official one?

[HyoMinPark]

I see, thank you for your reply. A bit off topic now, but does "Duty Complete" from duty finder not work when you are in a Party?

On topic: I'm not against using parser for yourself to help improve your performance, but as many others have pointed out, all the people who wishes to use parsers already use them, so what benefits do we gain by making an official one?

You can queue into Raid Finder with the Duty Complete options as far as I know, but NA does not use Raid Finder for current Savage/Extreme content. We use Party Finder for that. Duty Finder proper does not have a Duty Complete option at all, so you can’t use it for older content not in Raid Finder.

PS4 players want to parse and they don’t have any options for it short of getting their PC friends to parse for them. But they cannot see the parses in real-time; just after the fact if the PC player uploads them to FFLogs. So, no, the people who do want to parse do not all have the option to do so (short of buying a PC).

[Legion88]

On topic: I'm not against using parser for yourself to help improve your performance, but as many others have pointed out, all the people who wishes to use parsers already use them, so what benefits do we gain by making an official one?

We have PS4 players, who can't parse themself and are 100% dependent on PC players to parse them and many are not quiet happy with this state, they want to be able to parse themself.
PS4 players are forced to fly blind, while PC players have the opportunityto remove their blindfold and see their performance themself.
It's mostly a question for equal opportunity.

[Dirwen]

We have PS4 players, who can't parse themself and are 100% dependent on PC players to parse them and many are not quiet happy with this state, they want to be able to parse themself.
PS4 players are forced to fly blind, while PC players have the opportunityto remove their blindfold and see their performance themself.
It's mostly a question for equal opportunity.

I don't understand how people can play online FF on console. I learned my lesson from FF11 when i started out on PS2. Console will get outdated while the game will keep going on the years and you will be left behind as the updates will not work well on your old console.

[KaivaC]

I don't understand how people can play online FF on console. I learned my lesson from FF11 when i started out on PS2. Console will get outdated while the game will keep going on the years and you will be left behind as the updates will not work well on your old console.

I don't understand why it's a hard concept to understand that some are not able to purchase a decent laptop due to life obligations or can't afford to build a tower. $300 doesn't come cheap for everyone.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Yes, but not everyone is on FFlogs, the more people that parse, the more people will unwillingly be put on FFlogs.

People who don't have logs or elect to hide them are typically kicked from weekly Savage parties. They can be kicked from EX Primals too, but that isn't as common. Basically, the exclude you're accusing an official parse of already happens. Not using FFlogs only makes people assume you have something to hide. Therefore, an official parse or allowing us to openly discuss parses in-game wouldn't change anything at all. Not when it comes to exclusion.

On topic: I'm not against using parser for yourself to help improve your performance, but as many others have pointed out, all the people who wishes to use parsers already use them, so what benefits do we gain by making an official one?

As stated above, PS4 players have no access to parses. Considering a sizable portion of the playerbase plays on PS4, they're entirely reliant on someone else to see their damage. Furthermore, we aren't allowed to discuss parses openly without fear of getting our accounts banned. Whether to remove players who have no business joining clear/farm parties or explain how someone might improve, we can't do anything except silently kick. The sheer amount of people who are shocked when I tell them how much more damage they could be doing is baffling. A good amount of people don't even realize they're doing anything wrong.

[Dirwen]

I don't understand why it's a hard concept to understand that some are not able to purchase a decent laptop due to life obligations or can't afford to build a tower. $300 doesn't come cheap for everyone.

Consoles are pretty expensive themselves but I'm not a gamer so yea... Unless only playing FF14 is considered being a gamer.

[KaivaC]

Consoles are pretty expensive themselves but I'm not a gamer so yea... Unless only playing FF14 is considered being a gamer.

What? What ...even...

...ok? I don't know how to respond to this.