How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

As for the topic, "how would a parser be toxic?" Before SE pushed the 'don't ask, don't tell' mentality of parsers, people were kicking under performing players for not pulling arbitrary numbers in their parties. This is probably what SE is trying to avoid, because if they make, or otherwise acknowledge, an allowance of the tool, people will be excluded for ... reasons ... on a game they pay a membership for. It will then be SE's problem officially. Right now, it's more of a 'don't want bad players, don't run with random players' - like any other MMO or multiplayer game.

And that still happens to this day. It will continue to happen because people don't necessarily want to carry players who are underperforming, especially if they show little to no desire to improve or learn. Except without a visual parse, people kick or disband silently. Now you have no idea why they party disbanded, no information that perhaps you need to improve and nothing changes.

[RiyahArp]

And that still happens to this day. It will continue to happen because people don't necessarily want to carry players who are underperforming, especially if they show little to no desire to improve or learn.

The most wonderful thing about this game is you can completely ignore players like this, just by avoiding 4-5 fights a patch. In casual content, you can perform up to your skill level, and few people care otherwise. The only exception was this patch, when they had a minor difficulty spike in alpha and one expert dungeon. Even then it's really one dungeon and one fight, due to two battles. The people who any harder fights know what they are getting into. You can completley opt in to hardcoring it, or not.

This is the way it should be. You want to play this to relax, you do that. You want to tryhard? Go do the tougher fights. you want to tryhard in casual? PF or FC mates, you only need 4 or 8 for fifteen minutes. Anythign else would ruin this game.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

The most wonderful thing about this game is you can completely ignore players like this, just by avoiding 4-5 fights a patch. In casual content, you can perform up to your skill level, and few people care otherwise. The only exception was this patch, when they had a minor difficulty spike in alpha and one expert dungeon. Even then it's really one dungeon and one fight, due to two battles. The people who any harder fights know what they are getting into. You can completley opt in to hardcoring it, or not.

This is the way it should be. You want to play this to relax, you do that. You want to tryhard? Go do the tougher fights. you want to tryhard in casual? PF or FC mates, you only need 4 or 8 for fifteen minutes. Anythign else would ruin this game.

You still can. Alphascape isn't that much harder than its predecessors. It's simply a shock because no one expected it to actually have teeth since Delta and Sigma basically fell over. That doesn't excuse people from refusing to put forward an effort. No one is asking for Savage tier, orange percentile bis, they're asking you do basic mechanics and your rotation. Fortunately, I haven't only had to kick one person in my 20+ runs of O11N. And I kicked them purely because they weren't healing me (MT) at all.

[MageBlack]

"How would it be toxic?"

Just look at the comments in the forums when the mere idea is presented... nuff said?

[Kaurhz]

The idea, or the implementation of a parser would not be toxic. It's the people that use it that make it toxic, and people have demonstrated time and time again that they cannot use a parser responsibly.

[Kleeya]

The answer to the op's question is so obvious, when his thread is surrounded by http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-in-this-game and http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...is-with-people XD

[KaivaC]

The answer to the op's question is so obvious, when his thread is surrounded by http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-in-this-game and http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...is-with-people XD

One of those posts is iffy because OP cried foul once. The other one was due to player error.

Both of these have happened, and will happen, without a parser, so these aren't really answers to my question.

[Kleeya]

One of those posts is iffy because OP cried foul once. The other one was due to player error.

Both of these have happened, and will happen, without a parser, so these aren't really answers to my question.

Did you even open the two threads to read that even if they were not performed well, the two ops have been subject to rude behavior by the people judging their performance ?

Giving more tools to everyone to judge others will only end up in even more toxicity. "It will happen without a parser anyway" is a wrong argument. You are saying that like if having tons of players who actually dont even know what a parser is, getting suddenly access to one isn't gonna stir up even more trouble.

These two threads are in fact highly relevant to the answer of your question.

[KaivaC]

Did you even open the two threads to read that even if they were not performed well, the two ops have been subject to rude behavior by the people judging their performance ?

Giving more tools to everyone to judge others will only end up in even more toxicity. "It will happen without a parser anyway" is a wrong argument. You are saying that like if having tons of players who actually dont even know what a parser is, getting suddenly access to one isn't gonna stir up even more trouble.

These two threads are in fact highly relevant to the answer of your question.

Yup, I've been following those two threads with some mild interest. You don't need a parser for those kinds of incidents to occur, and they typically happen every day somewhere in FFXIV. Not taking sides in the PLD one, but I don't need a parser to be annoyed when a tank is constantly turning the O11N boss. Especially when they do it just as I am about to hit my Trick Attack. Let alone other players who have been ingrained to expect N/S positioning, and the boss is suddenly turned SE and then you see the cast bar for Starboard.

Yes indeed, perhaps some idiots will decide to be more open with their harassment. And then that's the the report function is for to get them out of this game. I doubt it will become as widespread as some people continually claim that FFXIV will become. Especially since most of the time, you're likely already being parsed anyways if you step foot into any of the current lvl 70 content.

[OurMom]

Did you even open the two threads to read that even if they were not performed well, the two ops have been subject to rude behavior by the people judging their performance ?

The OP in one admitted to messing up and considered the person snapped at them over one mistake they were probably doing low dps. It's not "judging their performance" if they are infact messing up.

The second doesn't even have basic abilities on their hotbar. What is it with this be nice to people that can be bothered to do the most basic of things?

I have seen people zombie their way through fights and when they get back up and still do their proper rotation, yes people are annoyed but they don't kick them. It's when the constant dying is paired with low dps do they get kicked or told to "uninstall". You know what could help with that? A parser so the person can see they're doing less damage than a pld.