How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[Zephera]

So instead of linking them to the balance discord then kicking them and moving on people harass which will increase with an official parser.

You cannot prove this. Also it's been said already, but if someone is going to harass then they'll do it anyway, parser of not.

[Aerlana]

Most are gonna be "lol trash sam with 4.5k dps learn your rotation insult x y and z."

i already see this kind people kicked. EVEN if they were top DPS of the party.
If parser official are there, i hope SE will continue to kick, and ban this kind of people. If this is the toxicity some complains there, the matter is clearly not official parsers, but simply getting social rules and GM from FFXIV applying them. I have no matter about this.

An official parser is not and must not be, a pass to insult people and doing this kind of harass.

I dont care some could probably become such ass with an official parser. Because they WONT "become" they are already, now some stupid one. Just they would get situation to show how they are... and then get kicked or ban from the game... And i wont cry to loose such kind of player personally...

[Daibunnie]

So instead of linking them to the balance discord then kicking them and moving on people harass which will increase with an official parser. Add that on to the fact that parser aren't really needed for anything outside of theory testing and speed runs. so why waste dev time on that. It would be better if they added the rotations to the game and a way to practice it kinda like fighting games do.

Things like a balance discord can easily be searched on their own time instead of expecting their party to do it for them. Also, you should NOT be in any clear party if you need a rotation guide of any sort, which are readily available online. A parser can tell you how many times a player is using a particular skill, what they’re dying to, how much dps is being dealt. All useful to clear efficiently.

[thegreatonemal]

i already see this kind people kicked. EVEN if they were top DPS of the party.
If parser official are there, i hope SE will continue to kick, and ban this kind of people. If this is the toxicity some complains there, the matter is clearly not official parsers, but simply getting social rules and GM from FFXIV applying them. I have no matter about this.

An official parser is not and must not be, a pass to insult people and doing this kind of harass.

I dont care some could probably become such ass with an official parser. Because they WONT "become" they are already, now some stupid one. Just they would get situation to show how they are... and then get kicked or ban from the game... And i wont cry to loose such kind of player personally...

Its like this because the fear of god is put into players if so much as cussing can get you banned for a few days most don't even bother to confront people about there numbers. Yet people still do it anyway the number will only increase if an offical parser is added because instead a small part of the pc players using em. How much can the gms handle is a gamble for any of us to say but if they can't the community gets worse for the small little benefits. its not worth it. Focus of improving the players that means attaching people how to play the game within the game.

[thegreatonemal]

Sell runs are literally just 7 people carrying an 8th party member that's dead weight, most even kill themselves before the fight starts.
Yes the boss reached 0 HP but the other members had to make up for the slacking party member, if all party members were equally slacking they wouldn't clear.

Most of those the sellers get on the buyers account and play the class themselves. fights were the person is dead on the floor are done when content if out geared or the BiS dps for that tier is so high that they can do that. Besides the example is current content so go carry someone through o9-12s or suzaku.

[Vidu]

So instead of linking them to the balance discord then kicking them and moving on people harass which will increase with an official parser. Add that on to the fact that parser aren't really needed for anything outside of theory testing and speed runs. so why waste dev time on that. It would be better if they added the rotations to the game and a way to practice it kinda like fighting games do.

A person in need of a link to the balance discord or a job-guide shouldnt be in content were their performance actually matters, aka Savage, Ultimate or Ex-Primals, in the first place. But currently those people have no way of telling them wether or not they're actually good (enough) on their job. An official parser, showing them their numbers after a dungeon-run for example together with a number they should be aiming for (because numbers without context wont matter here), can tell a person that they need to look up about their class, before they even get into content where it matters that they know what they're doing.

One problem this game has is the lack of actual feedback, aswell as the jump in difficulty from dungeons and normal modes to Savage raids and Extremes.
By at least seeing their numbers and some sort of estimate on how good those numbers are, people who actually care, but just dont know better, can improve before they burden anyone with them needing a carry.
People who dont want to improve deserve that kick - they dont deserve harrassment or insults, but they dont deserve being carried and getting their clear on the back of 7 other people either.
No one in a clear-party should need an explantion on how their job works - they're here to learn the fight, not their rotation. Right now there isnt really anything thats telling you wether you have that down or not though - Stone, Sky, Sea is an option, but you have to go out of your way for that. Getting a message off "You achieved 30% of the damage the job you're playing on was expected to deal in this content" at the end of an encounter seems more effective to me to be honest.

Jerks will be jerks with or without a parser - and wether they're pulling good numbers or basically nothing.

[thegreatonemal]

Things like a balance discord can easily be searched on their own time instead of expecting their party to do it for them. Also, you should NOT be in any clear party if you need a rotation guide of any sort, which are readily available online. A parser can tell you how many times a player is using a particular skill, what they’re dying to, how much dps is being dealt. All useful to clear efficiently.

This might be news to you but most people don't google how to play video games they buy this problem is an mmo in general issue. when i play street fighter or ff7 i don't have to google how to do haduken or insert materia I press pause and go down to move list or have a tutorial on that very subject when it becomes relevant to the game that I can revisit anytime I please

[Daibunnie]

This might be news to you but most people don't google how to play video games they buy this problem is an mmo in general issue. when i play street fighter or ff7 i don't have to google how to do haduken or insert materia I press pause and go down to move list and have a tutorial on that very subject when it becomes relevant to the game that I can revisit anytime I please

Those players should stay out of savage content then. There's a reason why almost every party on pf doing savage, even practice parties, asks you to either have watched a video or know what you're doing. If you can't be bothered to even search up a basic rotation, why shoudn't people kick and berate you when you end up being the sole reason the party is getting held back? When you play any fighting game online, I really doubt you're looking up a combo list while your opponent is beating you senseless.

[Sigma-Astra]

This might be news to you but most people don't google how to play video games they buy this problem is an mmo in general issue

No, because back before Googling was a thing to do, we had Bradley Strategy Game guides for almost every type of game which might be news to you. Whether you google information or read it in a book/tutorial, it gives you the same end results. The means on how to achieve the result shouldn't matter here.

There were strategy guides for FF7 as well.

Your argument that people didn't use guides on how to play video games is a poor one. It's not just an MMO issue.

You literally need a guide to play Final Fantasy X-2 or you're not getting that 100% completion ending.

[Vidu]

This might be news to you but most people don't google how to play video games they buy this problem is an mmo in general issue. when i play street fighter or ff7 i don't have to google how to do haduken or insert materia I press pause and go down to move list and have a tutorial on that very subject when it becomes relevant to the game that I can revisit anytime I please

...what? Depending on the game I'm googling stuff all the time - whenever I get stuck.
The problem with an MMO here is: You might not realise that you are "stuck", because 3, 7 or 23 other people are doing your work for you and pick up your slack. You dont get individual feedback, like you would get on a solo-game - you get a group feedback of "Your group did well enough to clear this content!"
In a solo-game that means you have done well enough and clearly understood what the game is asking of you. Here... it means nothing in regards to your indivual level of skill that your group managed to clear something.

Why would there be thousands of guides out there for solo-games? Why do I have official Walkthroughs, released by SE, for FFX, FFX-2 and FFXII on my shelf? (Okay, I actually didnt bought them because I needed help, but because I was hoping to learn more about the lore and stuff in the games... bit disappointing that there wasnt that much in them)

There are strategy guides out there for solo-games and when I couldnt complete a mission in HoMM V recently I discovered that there are foren-threads filled with people giving each other advice on how to beat those missions.

The problem clearly isnt that people dont want to consulte outside sources to beat a game - the problem is that the game doesnt tell them that they might "have" to - or put some more effort into figuring stuff out by themself, because for the most part, if you read your tooltips and thinking about the skills you have, you can come up with a rotation on your own thats good enough to beat content.