How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[greytonberry]

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I've lost count, the days blend in with one another, time ceases to be a thing, the world is crumbling around me. I don't know who I am, where I am, or what I am. The only thing I know for sure is that parsers are the evil.

[Daibunnie]

None of that matters, those logs are based on whoever has logs not every player of the class or what is the limit that class can do in any given fight. Its already biased that 4.9k isn't dead weight you needed it to clear the fight unless you think your pumping out enough damage to clear current content with a dps dead on the floor the entire time. That said kicking people because they don't meet your standards in not the problem nor what anyone was talking about its how you do it. Most of people are not gonna be like "hey your damage is too low we want faster kills bye" Most are gonna be "lol trash sam with 4.5k dps learn your rotation insult x y and z." will all of them be like those two examples no of course not but those will increase. People already do these but they hardly say it to the persons face they just say it to their fcs and linkshells. this games community kinda runs on hear no evil see no evil and you and others don't do it because of the very real chance you get banned for a few days. That's the toxicity people in this thread are referring too

When someone is doing below average dps, gear is the first thing people will check, then their rotation. The problem is usually rotation especially at savage content where ilvl is locked accordingly. Also, people will say what is on their mind. You play like you have no idea what you're doing at endgame, people will criticize, berate, or even mock you whether its in game or online. Because in the end, you're wasting their time when they could've gotten another competent player instead and finished w/e they were doing.

[thegreatonemal]

When someone is doing below average dps, gear is the first thing people will check, then their rotation. The problem is usually rotation especially at savage content where ilvl is locked accordingly. Also, people will say what is on their mind. You play like you have no idea what you're doing at endgame, people will criticize, berate, or even mock you whether its in game or online. Because in the end, you're wasting their time when they could've gotten another competent player instead and finished w/e they were doing.

So instead of linking them to the balance discord then kicking them and moving on people harass which will increase with an official parser. Add that on to the fact that parser aren't really needed for anything outside of theory testing and speed runs. so why waste dev time on that. It would be better if they added the rotations to the game and a way to practice it kinda like fighting games do.

[Zephera]

So instead of linking them to the balance discord then kicking them and moving on people harass which will increase with an official parser.

You cannot prove this. Also it's been said already, but if someone is going to harass then they'll do it anyway, parser of not.

[Daibunnie]

So instead of linking them to the balance discord then kicking them and moving on people harass which will increase with an official parser. Add that on to the fact that parser aren't really needed for anything outside of theory testing and speed runs. so why waste dev time on that. It would be better if they added the rotations to the game and a way to practice it kinda like fighting games do.

Things like a balance discord can easily be searched on their own time instead of expecting their party to do it for them. Also, you should NOT be in any clear party if you need a rotation guide of any sort, which are readily available online. A parser can tell you how many times a player is using a particular skill, what they’re dying to, how much dps is being dealt. All useful to clear efficiently.

[thegreatonemal]

Things like a balance discord can easily be searched on their own time instead of expecting their party to do it for them. Also, you should NOT be in any clear party if you need a rotation guide of any sort, which are readily available online. A parser can tell you how many times a player is using a particular skill, what they’re dying to, how much dps is being dealt. All useful to clear efficiently.

This might be news to you but most people don't google how to play video games they buy this problem is an mmo in general issue. when i play street fighter or ff7 i don't have to google how to do haduken or insert materia I press pause and go down to move list or have a tutorial on that very subject when it becomes relevant to the game that I can revisit anytime I please

[Daibunnie]

This might be news to you but most people don't google how to play video games they buy this problem is an mmo in general issue. when i play street fighter or ff7 i don't have to google how to do haduken or insert materia I press pause and go down to move list and have a tutorial on that very subject when it becomes relevant to the game that I can revisit anytime I please

Those players should stay out of savage content then. There's a reason why almost every party on pf doing savage, even practice parties, asks you to either have watched a video or know what you're doing. If you can't be bothered to even search up a basic rotation, why shoudn't people kick and berate you when you end up being the sole reason the party is getting held back? When you play any fighting game online, I really doubt you're looking up a combo list while your opponent is beating you senseless.

[Sigma-Astra]

This might be news to you but most people don't google how to play video games they buy this problem is an mmo in general issue

No, because back before Googling was a thing to do, we had Bradley Strategy Game guides for almost every type of game which might be news to you. Whether you google information or read it in a book/tutorial, it gives you the same end results. The means on how to achieve the result shouldn't matter here.

There were strategy guides for FF7 as well.

Your argument that people didn't use guides on how to play video games is a poor one. It's not just an MMO issue.

You literally need a guide to play Final Fantasy X-2 or you're not getting that 100% completion ending.

[thegreatonemal]

No, because back before Googling was a thing to do, we had Bradley Strategy Game guides for almost every type of game which might be news to you. Whether you google information or read it in a book/tutorial, it gives you the same end results. The means on how to achieve the result shouldn't matter here.

There were strategy guides for FF7 as well.

Your argument that people didn't use guides on how to play video games is a poor one. It's not just an MMO issue.

You literally need a guide to play Final Fantasy X-2 or you're not getting that 100% completion ending.

And all of those games had in game tutorials on the major game mechanics you brought those guides so you could find all the hidden optional items not how to play the game. knowing your rotation is the single most important thing when it comes to doing the end game content in this game. that IS an mmo issue.

[Vidu]

This might be news to you but most people don't google how to play video games they buy this problem is an mmo in general issue. when i play street fighter or ff7 i don't have to google how to do haduken or insert materia I press pause and go down to move list and have a tutorial on that very subject when it becomes relevant to the game that I can revisit anytime I please

...what? Depending on the game I'm googling stuff all the time - whenever I get stuck.
The problem with an MMO here is: You might not realise that you are "stuck", because 3, 7 or 23 other people are doing your work for you and pick up your slack. You dont get individual feedback, like you would get on a solo-game - you get a group feedback of "Your group did well enough to clear this content!"
In a solo-game that means you have done well enough and clearly understood what the game is asking of you. Here... it means nothing in regards to your indivual level of skill that your group managed to clear something.

Why would there be thousands of guides out there for solo-games? Why do I have official Walkthroughs, released by SE, for FFX, FFX-2 and FFXII on my shelf? (Okay, I actually didnt bought them because I needed help, but because I was hoping to learn more about the lore and stuff in the games... bit disappointing that there wasnt that much in them)

There are strategy guides out there for solo-games and when I couldnt complete a mission in HoMM V recently I discovered that there are foren-threads filled with people giving each other advice on how to beat those missions.

The problem clearly isnt that people dont want to consulte outside sources to beat a game - the problem is that the game doesnt tell them that they might "have" to - or put some more effort into figuring stuff out by themself, because for the most part, if you read your tooltips and thinking about the skills you have, you can come up with a rotation on your own thats good enough to beat content.