Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
Why are you doing farm parties in pf with randoms though? If you can't get 8 people together to do it, you need to spend less time griping about carries and more time making friends. The raiders in this game are odd that way; no one expects to speedkill stuff over and over in the hardest content in the game with randoms. Yet in this game they complain when it happens. In most other games, if you want to do this you do it with a guild specifically designed for endgame raiding.
They complain when they set up dog farm parties or weekly 2-chest parties in PF, and people join who have absolutely no idea what they're doing on either their chosen job or in the content the party is running. Is this a crime? Is it a crime to ask that people know what they're doing when they join farm parties? To not lie about their experience? To not waste the time of 7 other people? I can't speak for you, but I don't like being lied to, nor having my time wasted when I'm trying to farm for a mount or get a weekly clear in. I don't like having my time wasted period.

I have plenty of friends who do Extremes, but we aren't always on at the same time. My static actually did Suzaku on an off-day for weapons, but I was unable to join due to real-life responsibilities. And they've offered to help me get my weapon for progression, but not all of them are available outside of scheduled raid times, and we'd rather spend that time progging Savage. Not clearing Suzaku Ex. So we will have to probably pick up a random or two. Especially if no one we know is available when we decide to do the content.

Hence why we Party Finder. But, again: is it a crime to expect some level of competency - a level that the content itself asks for - from people who join farm groups or weekly 2-chest runs? These aren't dungeons where you can get by not know what you're doing, or get by by eating all the AOEs, or get by not know the basics of your job. Especially now with a new tier; not everyone is geared enough to carry a weak link in some of the Savage floors, and, honestly, we shouldn't be having to carry weak links anyways.

People expect competency in the content because the content requires it. And they have every right to complain when someone shows up that is clearly not competent at the skill level the content requires, and just expects the other 7 people to deal with their short-comings. Like the RDM I once had in a weekly V6S party I joined back when I didn't have a static during Sigmascape: snuck into the party never having cleared, claimed to have "seen enrage" when we get into the instance and see the bonus message, and then spent the entire lockout dying to every mechanic (truly a feat in Chadarnook) to the point where both healers just left him on the ground for the last third of the fight. Because he was too much of a strain on their MP to raise and then die again before his Weakness/Brink fell off.

But, you know. The raiders who tell people like this to please learn the content/their jobs before they venture into Savage are the toxic, mean ones. Not the person who just lied and wasted 7 other people's time and resources.