How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[KaivaC]

I'll consider FFlogs toxic until it becomes opt in rather than opt out. You've no evidence they are holding you back you've just looked at website they probably don't know exists or don't want to use.

Really? Is that your only reason? Because it's opt out? By that logic, the Duty Recorder is toxic too because it requires an opt-in from all 8 party members. It's not toxic to exclude under-performing party members. From what I've seen and heard, this seems to be one of the only big MMOs where people coddle the weak links because they got kicked. I find that pretty insulting. If a person sucks, they suck? Why sugarcoat it? If people don't like being held up to that standard, then stop joining PF parties and make friends and do it with them.

[jameseoakes]

Really? Is that your only reason? Because it's opt out? By that logic, the Duty Recorder is toxic too because it requires an opt-in from all 8 party members. It's not toxic to exclude under-performing party members. From what I've seen and heard, this seems to be one of the only big MMOs where people coddle the weak links because they got kicked. I find that pretty insulting. If a person sucks, they suck? Why sugarcoat it? If people don't like being held up to that standard, then stop joining PF parties and make friends and do it with them.

To be honest I'd rather play a game where people are nice and patient with each other than one people just want to be nasty to each other. Given the language you used in you own post I think you just answered you won question on how parses would be toxic.

[KaivaC]

To be honest I'd rather play a game where people are nice and patient with each other than one people just want to be nasty to each other. Given the language you used in you own post I think you just answered you won question on how parses would be toxic.

Heh...I suppose it would be toxic, if somebody is incapable of handling criticism. There's a difference between that, y'know? Criticism, and outright harassment. But it seems that lately, too many people have started to associate criticism/advice/etc. with harassment.

What do you mean about a game where people are nice and patient? And you are playing such a game. Just because people are advocating for parsers doesn't suddenly make the niceties and patience go away in most groups. Nor it is toxic if a person who is not as good as they think they are joins another person's PF and holds the rest of the party back in a Savage raid. While current, Savage raids are not really a place to kick back and BS around unless you're with known people or the majority is fine with it. Telling somebody 'hey, you forgot to leave up heavy thrust', or 'the boss leaves the battlefield at this time, don't waste your Aetherflow for the 3 seconds you'll be able to use it' or even 'can you please use defensive cooldowns for this tank buster' are not toxic. Yet the way some people complain about it, you'd think they'd have been personally insulted.

If you want a game where it's like that 100% of the time all the time...well, I dunno what to tell you. Even Roblox has toxicity. But if you find it, good luck. When you have a farm party for Suzaku Ex, and the description says 'Healer LB3' strat, it's time to admit that there is a problem.

[SenorPatty]

To be honest I'd rather play a game where people are nice and patient with each other than one people just want to be nasty to each other. Given the language you used in you own post I think you just answered you won question on how parses would be toxic.

So let's review somethings here:

-kicking silently: toxic.
-Kicking with an explanation: toxic
-Not kicking but explaining what's going wrong without openly mentioning parsers: toxic
-Not kicking but explaining what's going wrong while mentioning parsers: toxic
-Try to be nice and patient without parsers: toxic
-Try to be nice and patient with parsers: toxic

So I guess it really doesn't matter because it's clear that at the end of the day, you're far more likely to be labeled toxic for virtually anything not because of parsers but because you were supposed to accommodate silently instead.

[Bellsong]

To be honest I'd rather play a game where people are nice and patient with each other than one people just want to be nasty to each other. Given the language you used in you own post I think you just answered you won question on how parses would be toxic.

Yeah I wish everyone was nicer and more patient, then you wouldn't have to look at FFlogs to tell if someone was up to the content, you wouldn't have to parse to know you could rely on your teammates. People would be nice enough to only join parties at the level they can perform, and would have the patience to take the time to learn and get better for parties with a higher performance required.

And in case anyone did join a party they weren't prepared for, all would be well because they would nicely bow out, thanking everyone for their patience with the wipes thy caused.

Literally everything would be better.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And this is why FFlogs is Toxic.

Because I have expectations when I clearly label my party "farm" or "O9S weekly clear"? How dare I want people to know how to play their parties in Savage!

FFlogs is basically a resume. Of course, you just walk into a job, sport or any group activity, claim you know everything and said group must accept this or they're horrible, toxic, people, yes? In fact, let's compare! If you were on a Hockey team and needed a fill in for an upcoming tournament, but said fill in couldn't couldn't pass the puck, repeatedly got deked out and essentially couldn't keep up with the skill level of the team. Would you be totes okay spending several hours being "nice and patient" with them? Would you be annoyed they signed up in the first place, knowing the team expectations being woefully ill-prepared for them?

Bear in mind, if you show them any video evidence on what they're doing wrong—even if it would be a clear help—you're a toxic, horrible, person.

To be honest I'd rather play a game where people are nice and patient with each other than one people just want to be nasty to each other. Given the language you used in you own post I think you just answered you won question on how parses would be toxic.

But it isn't toxic a Samurai doing sub 4k sneaked into a Savage weekly and clearly have no idea what they're doing, thereby wasting everyone else's time? How about a White Mage who can't properly heal? Must be my fault for not staying in Tank Stance the whole fight because how dare I expect to be healed consistently?