How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[HyoMinPark]

I've read that some people used to use Dummies to calculate dps, not sure how it worked but maybe that can be used.

Dummies are great to practice your rotations on, sure, but not to calculate your DPS because dummies have much more health on them in order to make up for the fact that you're not dodging mechanics.

Additionally, the dummies do not take into account any sort of raid buffs, with heavily influence the amount of personal DPS a player is doing. Especially for some jobs that are reliant on others for a portion of their damage (e.g., BRD/MCH are reliant on a DRG for 5% of their damage; BRD is reliant on DRG/SCH for crit buffs; etc.).

How are practice parties or first time clear parties treated in NA? Do players get kicked immediately before the raid even starts because they are vetted through FFlogs?

I agree there should be some performance expectations on farm groups.

On NA, people doing learning/clear parties in PF, and state the amount of progress required to enter (e.g., fresh prog; blind prog; add phase; final phase; enrage clear). After they clear, they generally do farm parties (also in PF) stating “FARM” and usually naming the strat being used.

Players that set up the farm parties right automatically exclude those who haven’t cleared by selecting the appropriate PF options (Duty Complete); for those who don’t set it up properly to exclude bonuses, if they zone in and see a bonus, they ask who has the bonus. They can either opt to help the person, or they exit out of the duty and automatically disband the entire party. It tends to be the latter, as the party was set up for the purpose of farming (as stated in the description), and the person who hasn’t clear snuck into the party without being honest that they hadn’t cleared the content—the person with the bonus usually tends not to speak up regardless, so that doesn’t help.

I am hesitant to help people who sneak into farms, because every time I have, they have clearly never been to enrage as they claim and they are more so of a hinderance to the progression of the farm. I remember pugging Sigmascape and in V6S the weekly 2-chest group I was in had a RDM join who had “seen enrage”, and then proceeded to die to every mechanic. Eventually they were just left dead on the floor because it was too much on the healer’s MP to continue raising them.

[SleepyNeko]

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I see, thank you for your reply. A bit off topic now, but does "Duty Complete" from duty finder not work when you are in a Party?

On topic: I'm not against using parser for yourself to help improve your performance, but as many others have pointed out, all the people who wishes to use parsers already use them, so what benefits do we gain by making an official one?

[HyoMinPark]

I see, thank you for your reply. A bit off topic now, but does "Duty Complete" from duty finder not work when you are in a Party?

On topic: I'm not against using parser for yourself to help improve your performance, but as many others have pointed out, all the people who wishes to use parsers already use them, so what benefits do we gain by making an official one?

You can queue into Raid Finder with the Duty Complete options as far as I know, but NA does not use Raid Finder for current Savage/Extreme content. We use Party Finder for that. Duty Finder proper does not have a Duty Complete option at all, so you can’t use it for older content not in Raid Finder.

PS4 players want to parse and they don’t have any options for it short of getting their PC friends to parse for them. But they cannot see the parses in real-time; just after the fact if the PC player uploads them to FFLogs. So, no, the people who do want to parse do not all have the option to do so (short of buying a PC).

[Legion88]

On topic: I'm not against using parser for yourself to help improve your performance, but as many others have pointed out, all the people who wishes to use parsers already use them, so what benefits do we gain by making an official one?

We have PS4 players, who can't parse themself and are 100% dependent on PC players to parse them and many are not quiet happy with this state, they want to be able to parse themself.
PS4 players are forced to fly blind, while PC players have the opportunityto remove their blindfold and see their performance themself.
It's mostly a question for equal opportunity.

[Dirwen]

We have PS4 players, who can't parse themself and are 100% dependent on PC players to parse them and many are not quiet happy with this state, they want to be able to parse themself.
PS4 players are forced to fly blind, while PC players have the opportunityto remove their blindfold and see their performance themself.
It's mostly a question for equal opportunity.

I don't understand how people can play online FF on console. I learned my lesson from FF11 when i started out on PS2. Console will get outdated while the game will keep going on the years and you will be left behind as the updates will not work well on your old console.

[KaivaC]

I don't understand how people can play online FF on console. I learned my lesson from FF11 when i started out on PS2. Console will get outdated while the game will keep going on the years and you will be left behind as the updates will not work well on your old console.

I don't understand why it's a hard concept to understand that some are not able to purchase a decent laptop due to life obligations or can't afford to build a tower. $300 doesn't come cheap for everyone.

[Dirwen]

I don't understand why it's a hard concept to understand that some are not able to purchase a decent laptop due to life obligations or can't afford to build a tower. $300 doesn't come cheap for everyone.

Consoles are pretty expensive themselves but I'm not a gamer so yea... Unless only playing FF14 is considered being a gamer.

[KaivaC]

Consoles are pretty expensive themselves but I'm not a gamer so yea... Unless only playing FF14 is considered being a gamer.

What? What ...even...

...ok? I don't know how to respond to this.

[Ilan]

Consoles are pretty expensive themselves but I'm not a gamer so yea... Unless only playing FF14 is considered being a gamer.

Consoles don't need to be upgraded as fast as PC's do and its cheaper to buy a console than a PC. Sure console games are most of the time more expensive but the console itself is cheaper than a decent PC.

[supaiku]

I don't understand how people can play online FF on console. I learned my lesson from FF11 when i started out on PS2. Console will get outdated while the game will keep going on the years and you will be left behind as the updates will not work well on your old console.

I don't understand how people can play on a laptop / computer. I prefer sitting on my comfortable sofa looking at a big tv screen anytime.
I have a PS4 4 Pro currently and no problems with updates whatsoever. And once the PS5 is realised I will just buy that - and who knows if FF14 is still alive then.
No, but seriously, it's just a matter of taste. Some simply prefer consoles while others prefer playing on computer ^^