How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[Sigma-Astra]

Sadly parsers are most of the time using as epeen/elitist meter than anything. Usually the rotations arent THAT hard that need a program to say to you "hey wrong rotation, last one was better ".

If any of that were true then we wouldn't have people at level 70 not wanting to use their aggro reducing abilities, tanks not mitigating damage properly or using their enmity combos, monks/dragoons saying "hell no" to their own positionals, BLM's casting their spells out of order (or using Freeze and Blizzard constantly), MCH's not using Hotshot, etc.

I had a MNK yesterday in The Burn doing less DPS than everyone else. A MNK WHOSE DPS WAS BEING OUTDONE BY THE TANK AND THE HEALER. The other DPS was a SMN.

BUT, THE TANK AND THE HEALER.

I don't expect people to be 99th percentile, I expect them to try and be competent, and half of the time they can't even get that. A parser would at least tell them that their damage per second is awful.

Honestly, I look at people who have this exaggerated and paranoia fear of parsers as people who are afraid of finding out the truth that they're not as hot as they think they are, and I ain't perfect either. But, people can see that I at least try and relatively know what I'm doing.

[Bhearil]

If any of that were true then we wouldn't have people at level 70 not wanting to use their aggro reducing abilities, tanks not mitigating damage properly or using their enmity combos, monks/dragoons saying "hell no" to their own positionals, BLM's casting their spells out of order (or using Freeze and Blizzard constantly), MCH's not using Hotshot, etc.

I had a MNK yesterday in The Burn doing less DPS than everyone else. A MNK WHOSE DPS WAS BEING OUTDONE BY THE TANK AND THE HEALER. The other DPS was a SMN.

BUT, THE TANK AND THE HEALER.

I don't expect people to be 99th percentile, I expect them to try and be competent, and half of the time they can't even get that. A parser would at least tell them that their damage per second is awful.

Honestly, I look at people who have this exaggerated and paranoia fear of parsers as people who are afraid of finding out the truth that they're not as hot as they think they are, and I ain't perfect either. But, people can see that I at least try and relatively know what I'm doing.

A person who doesnt bother to improve his gameplay will not magically become better for having a parser, similar on how people dont play tanks despite all the bonus they keep putting for playing as one including faster queues, exlusive mounts, role bonus etc

Thats not a person whos learning his rotation, thats a person whos pressing buttons randomly sometimes without even bothering to read the skill descriptions. Everyone has had those kind of players (thanks god not very often) and you dont need a parser to know they suck (comes to mind a lv 70 Dragoon spamming impulse drive ONLY, or a Pala spamming Rage of Halone without the proper combo with aggro all over the place because not only aoe was too advanced for him he did lose aggro on single target as well) and if they didnt even bother to read what the hell their skills do, parser wont do anything for them to improve since theres 0 motivation to do so to begin with

[Arrius]

A person who doesnt bother to improve his gameplay will not magically become better for having a parser, similar on how people dont play tanks despite all the bonus they keep putting for playing as one including faster queues, exlusive mounts, role bonus etc

But that person is easier to spot with that and knows that the others will see the bad performance more clearly.
And thus easier subject to Vote Dismissal.

[SleepyNeko]

But that person is easier to spot with that and knows that the others will see the bad performance more clearly.
And thus easier subject to Vote Dismissal.

I think SE will want to minimize the amount of Vote Dismissal for their game as players are more likely to unsub over being vote dismissed constantly, since it'll be the same problematic people. On the other hand Sigma-Astra, did you manage to finish the dungeon with the MNK or did you guys vote abandon? I think as long as you are about to finish the dg then all is well, it might take a lil longer but thats the attitude SE has with FFXIV. Its not hardcore content so there isn't really an expectation on player performance

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I think SE will want to minimize the amount of Vote Dismissal for their game as players are more likely to unsub over being vote dismissed constantly, since it'll be the same problematic people. On the other hand Sigma-Astra, did you manage to finish the dungeon with the MNK or did you guys vote abandon? I think as long as you are about to finish the dg then all is well, it might take a lil longer but thats the attitude SE has with FFXIV. Its not hardcore content so there isn't really an expectation on player performance

Which is fine for dungeon content because it's trivial. That philosophy can easily have the opposite effect though, especially in harder content. Better players become far less willing to join pugs and help people get their clears because they don't want to deal with players who can't be bothered to improve yet expect everyone else to put in the work for them.

[Aerlana]

A person who doesnt bother to improve his gameplay will not magically become better for having a parser, similar on how people dont play tanks despite all the bonus they keep putting for playing as one including faster queues, exlusive mounts, role bonus etc

Some people want always to improve their gameplay, even if they know they are close to the perfection.
Some people will stop to improve when they think they are "good enough"
Some people will never try to improve themselves.

BUT there is also people that deny needing to improve their gameplay until they see that they get bad results. But for this, you need to show them tools they cant deny. Like a Parser.

In the case sigma-astra says to us. Maybe just saying the monk this fact would make him work his gameplay... Maybe he will also consider you troll him or is just an angry guy that dont says all the truth... With a parser in his own hand, he cant say you did erase anything to cheat on the reality or you did make a false screenshot. He will see it on one fight... another... another... And will be force to admit he is a matter.
Then he will have choice : no care... or lets work on this.

[Sigma-Astra]

A person who doesnt bother to improve his gameplay will not magically become better for having a parser, similar on how people dont play tanks despite all the bonus they keep putting for playing as one including faster queues, exlusive mounts, role bonus etc.

They may because they'll actually see how much damage is inflicted depending on how well or how poorly they're timing their cooldowns and rotations properly, for example, holding certain abilities back INSTEAD of wasting them during phase transitions for a boss.

Thats not a person whos learning his rotation, thats a person whos pressing buttons randomly sometimes without even bothering to read the skill descriptions. Everyone has had those kind of players (thanks god not very often) and you dont need a parser to know they suck (comes to mind a lv 70 Dragoon spamming impulse drive ONLY, or a Pala spamming Rage of Halone without the proper combo with aggro all over the place because not only aoe was too advanced for him he did lose aggro on single target as well) and if they didnt even bother to read what the hell their skills do, parser wont do anything for them to improve since theres 0 motivation to do so to begin with.

Gee, wouldn't it be so great if like, we had people who knew what they were doing that we could reference the right rotations...and see how much damage they should and could be doing when playing optimally on certain fights? Oh....right.

We do. It's called FFLogs to find out which people are the solid players that you should measure yourself by.

You know....that tool where you can see how many times they've used what, when, and where....the tool that lets you playback the fight in a very basic, but kinda helpful way?

Gee, wouldn't it be SO GREAT if people knew that doing their rotations out of order ACTUALLY hurts their damage? What on earth could measure that, I wonder....