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    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    Again, you are able to do that. Not everyone can play at a high-level of optimization naturally. Not everyone is able to figure these things out intuitively. Quite a number of players, myself included, need these tools to figure out where we are messing up (because it's not always obvious), where we can improve, how we can compare to better players. Seems like you are arguing that what feels natural and easy to you should be natural and easy to everybody else that plays, and that simply just isn't possible or true.
    Again you miss the point. The point is that there is no point to parsing it means nothing unless you are speed running. As long as you follow your rotation you are fine. if you cannot preform your rotation because mechanics are messing with you a parser is not going to tell you or help you with anything playing the game and committing that rotation to memory however will. If you are unable to do that you have 2 options: play a class which you can do that with o:r stay out of savage and extreme fights for about 5-6 months from there release date. At which point your gear will make up for any rotational mistake unless you are just hitting buttons at random.

    And you really are overestimating optimizing the bosses in this game do the same thing at the same time every single time without fail. its a simple matter of paying attention if you aren't paying attention its because your too busy staring at your hot bars. and we have discussed at length at how you go about fixing that
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatonemal View Post
    Again you miss the point. The point is that there is no point to parsing it means nothing unless you are speed running. As long as you follow your rotation you are fine. if you cannot preform your rotation because mechanics are messing with you a parser is not going to tell you or help you with anything playing the game and committing that rotation to memory however will. If you are unable to do that you have 2 options: play a class which you can do that with o:r stay out of savage and extreme fights for about 5-6 months from there release date. At which point your gear will make up for any rotational mistake unless you are just hitting buttons at random.

    and you really are overestimating optimizing
    No, you're underestimating it.

    Optimization aside how do you think rotations are even constructed?

    Your ignorance as to how this game works for many people is really irritating. It's clear you've made up your mind, enjoy being wrong I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    No, you're underestimating it.

    Optimization aside how do you think rotations are even constructed?

    Your ignorance as to how this game works for many people is really irritating. It's clear you've made up your mind, enjoy being wrong I guess.
    Or you just forgot what optimize means. The rotations are the base point you optimize by building off that for fights were you can get more damage out. The thing you're missing is that step is useless as the game does not require you to do that to clear anything. I understand how the game works you just think it revolves around speed running. It doesn't it never has and probably never will when we get fights that require all of us to update and change our rotations around in order to clear it and failure to do so means enrage wipes 100% of the time is when parser become required. Until then learn to separate what you like doing in the game from what is required of you from the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatonemal View Post
    Again you miss the point. The point is that there is no point to parsing it means nothing unless you are speed running. As long as you follow your rotation you are fine. if you cannot preform your rotation because mechanics are messing with you a parser is not going to tell you or help you with anything playing the game and committing that rotation to memory however will. If you are unable to do that you have 2 options: play a class which you can do that with o:r stay out of savage and extreme fights for about 5-6 months from there release date. At which point your gear will make up for any rotational mistake unless you are just hitting buttons at random.

    And you really are overestimating optimizing the bosses in this game do the same thing at the same time every single time without fail. its a simple matter of paying attention if you aren't paying attention its because your too busy staring at your hot bars. and we have discussed at length at how you go about fixing that
    If I have a run where I sit at 4.9k, and I've done my rotation correctly, and the nearest DPS to me is sitting at 5.3k, there is a problem with something that I am doing because I have been capable of pulling higher. Yet, on paper, I've done my rotation correctly. I should be higher. Diving into more details like being able to parse naturally and then read that information and figure out what else I am missing out. At min ilvl, every little bit of contribution does count. And by the way, the information used from a parser was able to pull me from 4.9k to 6.0k, which matters a lot, especially within the first month of a new raid. Once again, you are simplifying matters as if it really is that simple. It is not. Again, what comes to you naturally, does not come naturally to other players. How is that a hard concept to grasp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatonemal View Post
    snip.
    This has to be one of the most dedicated trolls I've seen in a while. Saying stuff like "Using myself as an example I'm a ps4 player and when i learn a fight i'm pretty much flawless when it comes to doing the mechanics" and "The point is that there is no point to parsing it means nothing unless you are speed running". The only thing that's proven here is that you are clearly consumed by your own ego and that you have no idea how parsing works. Those optimized rotations you keep talking about, would like you to take a guess how theory crafters came up with those? I'm sure you have the capacity to figure that out. Ignorance is bliss i suppose, have fun sitting in that little bubble you've crafted around yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selova View Post
    This has to be one of the most dedicated trolls I've seen in a while. Saying stuff like "Using myself as an example I'm a ps4 player and when i learn a fight i'm pretty much flawless when it comes to doing the mechanics" and "The point is that there is no point to parsing it means nothing unless you are speed running". The only thing that's proven here is that you are clearly consumed by your own ego and that you have no idea how parsing works. Those optimized rotations you keep talking about, would like you to take a guess how theory crafters came up with those? I'm sure you have the capacity to figure that out. Ignorance is bliss i suppose, have fun sitting in that little bubble you've crafted around yourself.
    How they came up with them. Math plain and simple. there are potency numbers in your tooltips in case you forgot and the convenient little fact that most raidwide damage improvement buffs are on 60 second and 120 second cooldown timers. Hmm I wonder why that could be such a mystery that one. Leave the insults at home or tell me how and why I'm wrong you you seem to think you're right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatonemal View Post
    tell me how and why I'm wrong you you seem to think you're right.
    When you are doing such a bang-up job of proving that on your own? You got this. I believe in you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selova View Post
    When you are doing such a bang-up job of proving that on your own? You got this. I believe in you.
    So clearly you have nothing to say might wanna look up how to have a debate/argument. Do so before you reply to this otherwise please don't. But I don't have much faith in you this is the internet after all and someone told you you're wrong with reasons you can't have that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatonemal View Post
    So clearly you have nothing to say might wanna look up how to have a debate/argument. Do so before you reply to this otherwise please don't. But I don't have much faith in you this is the internet after all and someone told you you're wrong with reasons you can't have that.
    I have no desire to have a debate with you because then I would be admitting that you actually had something of actual substance and merit to say and you've already put it perfectly on display that you don't. Sorry, engaging in a argument with someone so incredibly steeped in their own ignorance isn't exactly at the top of my to-do list today. Thanks for the offer though.
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