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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    Last I checked, boogeymen aren't real. However, players kicking others over numbers is history - it happened - it's what made SE clarify that third party programs also included parsers.

    I didn't put words in your mouth, nor do I care to address a strawman argument.
    And neither is wide-spread kicking. You're omitting part of my argument to suit your own. I never said people aren't kick. In fact, the very part of my post you quoted specifically highlighted it doesn't happen with any sort of regularity. Therefore, the idea parsers would abruptly cause widespread toxicity simply doesn't add up. They're already prevalent, and people aren't being kicked left and right. Hence why it doesn't exist.

    You did precisely that. Nowhere in my initial post did I claim people wouldn't judge others nor did I insinuate otherwise. I find rather ironic you accuse me of strawmanning, when you did so yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    You made a statement without fact. You said people will be jerks and parsing won't impact that. I want to know how you know this and what did you do to come to this conclusion.
    For reasons stated above. It's common knowledge if you set foot in either EX or Savage, someone in your party will have ACT running. Despite this, people aren't being kicked left and right otherwise we would be seeing threads about it like virtually everything else. We don't. Your entire stance relies on people abruptly turning into assholes because a tool which they already use is allowed to be discussed publicly. Toxic people do not need a parse to be jerks. If someone annoys them, they aren't going to hold back just because they can't reveal what said person's DPS numbers were. Will some people abuse it? Absolutely. Just like the Vote Abandon system hence my previous example—the one who claimed a strawman. Generalizing the entire playerbase based on the action of a few... well, that's a silly position to take.

    If you want to get technical, neither of us have any definitive answer one way or another. You cannot claim people will abruptly treat each other worse and the game as a whole will suffer if ACT were discussed openly.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    the problem would be the one two punch of parsers and making casual content harder, which a lot of pro-parser people lump together. Casual content being trivial is what keeps parsers from having an impact outside of hard raids. Keep in mind too, if they make parsers legal, eventually they will design content based on people having them, i.e. much more frequent dps checks.
    Alphascape is harder. You think anyone cares about parsing it? Harder casual content doesn't mean EX or Savage difficulty. How many times do we have to reiterate this? The Vault wasn't hard, but it also wasn't a dungeon I basically fell asleep through. Meanwhile, Swallow's Compass is so laughably easy I literally don't need a healer.
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    Last edited by Bourne_Endeavor; 09-29-2018 at 10:40 PM.