How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[RiyahArp]

Except good raiders are far more accommodating than you believe..

That's not my point. It can't be a gear check, because the issue people want gatekeeping fights for is not gear, but skill. And if they don't have the skill to beat it on launch, they need to practice till they can or they can't enter the instance. If they need to rely on better gear to beat the challenge, then it will be too late. You won't be able to be understanding, the gatekeeper will keep them out of the fight. The point is that with a gatekeeper like this, it will delay people from entering to prevent that. And by then, there won't be people who need newbies.

[Legion88]

That's not my point. It can't be a gear check, because the issue people want gatekeeping fights for is not gear, but skill. And if they don't have the skill to beat it on launch, they need to practice till they can or they can't enter the instance. If they need to rely on better gear to beat the challenge, then it will be too late. You won't be able to be understanding, the gatekeeper will keep them out of the fight. The point is that with a gatekeeper like this, it will delay people from entering to prevent that. And by then, there won't be people who need newbies.

You misunderstand what a gatekeeper is.
The gatekeeper makes sure noone can go further without the required skill, because people without this skill wont be able to do anything beyond that point.
The gatekeeper checks if you are skilled enough with this job to have a chance by your own and don't need someone else to carry you.

A gatekeeper has to check your knowledge of the jobs rotation by a simple DPS check, has to check your general knowledge of game mechanics, like telgraphed AoEs, one hit by them and you're out and he has to check your general skill by mixing this up over a couple of phases.

If you can't pass this simple checks you are in no way able to to anything beyond then participate but never contribute.

And don't forget, the content behind the gatekeeper is even harder then the gatekeeper himself.

[RiyahArp]

You misunderstand what a gatekeeper is.

No, i get it, but you are doing the classic error of assuming it is "simple." It's going to have to be hard enough to be a decent gatekeeper. That means a lot of people will struggle with it, more than you think. The danger is that it takes long enough that it makes it harder for people to get involved in the tier. Ask a ffxi vet how long it took them to beat ma'at, for example.

[Legion88]

No, i get it, but you are doing the classic error of assuming it is "simple." It's going to have to be hard enough to be a decent gatekeeper. That means a lot of people will struggle with it, more than you think. The danger is that it takes long enough that it makes it harder for people to get involved in the tier. Ask a ffxi vet how long it took them to beat ma'at, for example.

But if he can't beat the gatekeeper, he is not ready for the content behind, because the content is even harder as the gatekeeper himself.
So the gatekeeper would be the easiest part of the new tier, so like Faust in Alexander, but Faust only was a simple DPS check.

A gatekeeper wont let you pass if you don't understand your rotation well enough and you mess up basic mechanics and this means you're not ready for what comes behind.
And no, raiding means everyone has to contribute and not some will outbalance an inability.

[RiyahArp]

But if he can't beat the gatekeeper, he is not ready for the content behind, because the content is even harder as the gatekeeper himself.

No, i get the point. The thing though is that if you're average or less, you will take longer to get ready than you do now. Like if it takes you a month of learning parties to get past the first fight, it now takes 2 weeks of the gatekeeper and a month of learning parties. (because no fight in this game is the same, you learn everyone fresh almost.) That's a danger that needs to be addressed. It's not going to be basic, because people already do know that; you need to do a savage level rotation.

[KaivaC]

That's not my point. It can't be a gear check, because the issue people want gatekeeping fights for is not gear, but skill. And if they don't have the skill to beat it on launch, they need to practice till they can or they can't enter the instance. If they need to rely on better gear to beat the challenge, then it will be too late. You won't be able to be understanding, the gatekeeper will keep them out of the fight. The point is that with a gatekeeper like this, it will delay people from entering to prevent that. And by then, there won't be people who need newbies.

...so if it's a matter of skill vs a gatekeeper, what's the issue?