How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[Ryaz]

There are toxic people in the community, I'm afraid, and I don't think SE wants to really allocate the resources to deal with another source of it. For example, I was in Suzaku Ex the other day and had ONE bad fight because I was a bit distracted. Despite the fact that I cleared her three times just before that with no issues, the healer started to rag on me like I was a noob who had no clue what I was doing (and ignored others who also died, some to the simplest mechanics). Some people are just jerks.

An official parser would be fine IF it was just for you to use as a means to improve yourself. Many would just use it as another tool to exclude people. Not that it matters much anyway because SE can't really stop people from using third party parsers.

[Legion88]

The problem with "Toxicity(TM)" is, its always and everywhere, not always open but more hidden and private.
Some people are jerks, but most toxic people just don't know how to handle their toxicity in a harmless way or are to emotional for that.

If people would learn to calm down and vent their toxicity into a side channel like to friends, diary, this thread or something of that kind instad of open ranting in a duty emotianally fired up, the open toxicity would be far less.

The next step would be that everyone starts to take responsibility for their actions.
If i see the content I entered is to hard for me, I excuse me and leave, and this schould be done by who people who come to know that they entered content to hard for them.
Then they can train to get better or hope for unsync.

Open ranting, hate speach and swear words are as toxic as sneaking into inappropiate content.

[Dzian]

Unfortunately, the skill gap will never lessen until they official allow parsing, be it ACT itself or develop their own. They keep spending resources on silly workarounds which will never accomplish anything. Speaking from my own experienced, I learned to improve because I kept seeing Dragoon pulling numbers much higher than my own. It made me curious, thus I looked up their rotations and what they were doing. That couldn't have happened with a parse. What Yoshida's chasing is a fools goal. A good number of people have no idea they're doing something wrong because they game never tells you otherwise. You have no frame of reference short of "did the boss die or not."

The skill gap will never lessen because the devs go about it the wrong way... too afraid to push the bottom players to improve what the devs do is try and drag the top players down closer to them..

content itself also doesnt ask or even incentivise players to improve... you want that shiny mount but the fights a bit tricky.... don't waste time trying to up your game. we'll bring the content down to you... and hand you your shiny mount on a silver platter.

doesn't matter how many tools the devs added unless they changed the content to actually promote player growth and had better rewards to incentivise. its a dud. but again SE wont ever do that instead they'll just keep trying to drag the top players down andfailing miserably to close the gap

[RuleofThree]

The skill gap will never lessen because the devs go about it the wrong way... too afraid to push the bottom players to improve what the devs do is try and drag the top players down closer to them..

content itself also doesnt ask or even incentivise players to improve... you want that shiny mount but the fights a bit tricky.... don't waste time trying to up your game. we'll bring the content down to you... and hand you your shiny mount on a silver platter.

doesn't matter how many tools the devs added unless they changed the content to actually promote player growth and had better rewards to incentivise. its a dud. but again SE wont ever do that instead they'll just keep trying to drag the top players down andfailing miserably to close the gap

I don't know. I'm not sure 99 totems is 'handing a mount on a silver platter.' Shinryu EX for example, on my server you can't even find a farm party for that, let alone a successful one. You aren't getting 99 totems for free, not by a long shot. And getting carried is harder than actually learning the fight. If you are under par, you are going to get bullied and eventually kicked from the group. Even if you do know the fight, and made a few honest mistakes, or just woke up and aren't 100% yet, or just need to shake the rust off, you are going to get chastised or kicked for 'not knowing the fight' or just 'being bad.

Am I arguing the notion that SE isn't pushing lower tier players to up their game a bit? No. I agree with you in some sense, I savage when I can (pugging is hard), so I'd like to consider myself a cut above the rest, had every job half covered in Delta savage gear last patch. Still, to say that they are just 'handing out mounts on a silver platter.' Hmmm...a bit extreme there. I wish, because, like I said, finding farms for Shinryu is hell incarnate.

[Nora_of_Mira]

Just adding my 2c as there are a ton of different perspectives here.

My new static just cleared O9S and the parses were finally published. Of my group, 2 DPS landed in the 97perc while I landed in the gray for my job. Now, I haven't received any toxic behavior for my low parse (as of yet anyway) but now I have an uneasy anxiety to not be the dead weight of the group even though we have no issues with enrage. This is just a situation that, depending on the people in the group, can go very toxic pretty quickly and boy do I not enjoy the silent pressure.

Of course, I'm taking the proactive approach and finding out where I can improve before it potentially becomes a bigger issue. But my group so far seems pretty chill so I'm just gonna be open about it and see what they have to offer my statistically lower performance. A question has to be asked, do parses matter when enrage isn't an issue? How low does someone have to be to raise a concern? (and no, I wasn't doing less than the tanks, as that would be my personal line I draw).

[Nixxe]

Developing an official parser when you can just use FFLogs, which is superior to anything SE would ever implement, is a silly waste of time. The current setup is fine, as their willingness to turn a blind eye to parsing so long as you don't harass people with it means we can essentially have our cake and eat it too: people can parse, but can't use it to harass others.

[Kallera]

A parser would not just affect raiding content. it would affect the interaction between other members of the community outside of it.

[Floortank]

There's no harm in SE incorporating a parser that only tracks your overall damage/healing/whatever, rather than the entire group's.

A person can use that information to improve themselves. It is not necessary for them to have access to anyone else's.

[MageBlack]

Its like guns, they themselves are not bad but give them to a toxic person or someone looking to start shit and you have a problem on your hands.

[Legion88]

I don't know. I'm not sure 99 totems is 'handing a mount on a silver platter.' Shinryu EX for example, on my server you can't even find a farm party for that, let alone a successful one. You aren't getting 99 totems for free, not by a long shot. And getting carried is harder than actually learning the fight. If you are under par, you are going to get bullied and eventually kicked from the group. Even if you do know the fight, and made a few honest mistakes, or just woke up and aren't 100% yet, or just need to shake the rust off, you are going to get chastised or kicked for 'not knowing the fight' or just 'being bad.

Am I arguing the notion that SE isn't pushing lower tier players to up their game a bit? No. I agree with you in some sense, I savage when I can (pugging is hard), so I'd like to consider myself a cut above the rest, had every job half covered in Delta savage gear last patch. Still, to say that they are just 'handing out mounts on a silver platter.' Hmmm...a bit extreme there. I wish, because, like I said, finding farms for Shinryu is hell incarnate.

Dazian is right, just wait for the next expansion and unsync everything you couldn't beat...most things will be very easy then.