How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[ryouma17]

have you ever played WoW? unless you want the FF14 community to turn toxic the last thing this game needs is a dps meter

[Alestorm]

have you ever played WoW? unless you want the FF14 community to turn toxic the last thing this game needs is a dps meter

What's really funny is it's either the guys who knows he's top on the charts with "what's my damage? my meter's aren't working" or the guy on the bottom getting carried blaming everyone else for the fight taking too long for them and he knows full well why.'

I wouldn't mind the idea of a personal parser being added to Land, Sea and Sky to get an idea, but one built into group content wouldn't end well.

[Penthea]

have you ever played WoW? unless you want the FF14 community to turn toxic the last thing this game needs is a dps meter

I played WoW before parsers were commonly used. I saw a distinct change in the community when their use became very commonplace and it wasn't good.

Before people were happy as long as things died in a timely manner. That changed to people often complaining at others for supposedly not doing enough dps and often without taking things like gear, class level and class balance into account. It caused a lot of completely unnecessary drama.

Even though I mained a healer in WoW which meant parser drama was rarely aimed at me (dunno about now but back then healer dps hit like a wet noodle), I found it incredibly tiresome to watch. It frankly made me avoid pugging.

I will not dispute that parsers are very useful tools because they most certainly are. But the sad truth is they're often used as a platform to be needlessly horrible to people.

The day SE bring an official parser to FFXIV is the day I stop pugging. If I can avoid stupid parser drama then I will. Had enough of it in WoW.

[MoroMurasaki]

have you ever played WoW? unless you want the FF14 community to turn toxic the last thing this game needs is a dps meter

Did you literally just read the title and not the post?

[OurMom]

have you ever played WoW? unless you want the FF14 community to turn toxic the last thing this game needs is a dps meter

I see this comment alot, WoW's community isn't has bad as people here make it out to be. People there just want you to not be brain dead and that's it. I played WoW during MoP never touched it prior, had absolutely zero clue what was going on and no one flamed me, harassed me, nor kicked me from a dungeon.

Also if you want you to mention toxic communities, Archeage, BnS, Aion, and BDO and only one of those people actually parse in and people aren't toxic there because of it. Why is this community so scared of stuff? If someone is being a jerk just report them you can't punish everyone for a small few. People are going to be jerks regardless of having a parser or not.

[Deceptus]

I see this comment alot, WoW's community isn't has bad as people here make it out to be. People there just want you to not be brain dead and that's it. I played WoW during MoP never touched it prior, had absolutely zero clue what was going on and no one flamed me, harassed me, nor kicked me from a dungeon.

Also if you want you to mention toxic communities, Archeage, BnS, Aion, and BDO and only one of those people actually parse in and people aren't toxic there because of it. Why is this community so scared of stuff? If someone is being a jerk just report them you can't punish everyone for a small few. People are going to be jerks regardless of having a parser or not.

This. WoW expects basic competence. FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it.

You can't always base player skill on mechanics. A Warrior can do everything right mechanically but give up massive amounts of DPS if they don't properly time their Inner Release usage. A Monk blowing Tornado Kick constantly without knowing the proper rotation will loss thousands of DPS yet be entirely unaware.

And if you're a MCH who messes up your Wildfire window, you're done.

[Ilan]

have you ever played WoW? unless you want the FF14 community to turn toxic the last thing this game needs is a dps meter

I've played WoW a while and i NEVER saw anything what you want to make people believe. I've also played a lot of other games with parsers and these coms were not toxic because of the parser, they where toxic because they where toxic in general.

[TaiyoShikasu]

A stationary target that does literally nothing and can be cheesed by having a chocobo companion out does nothing, but okay.

have you ever played WoW? unless you want the FF14 community to turn toxic the last thing this game needs is a dps meter

Because the community is so totally not toxic already.

Great community btw.

[Aerlana]

unless you want the FF14 community to turn toxic

*look to some parties*
The game isn't already full of toxic players? ...

Else, maybe a way to you to admit that ruining anyone else run due to lack of performance is not toxic... (and even more, spitting on people giving you advice then...) you are right.
Toxicity get numerous way to apear, and FFXIV has his own...

Ironic - I've played WoW for 14 years at this point. I can't cite a single example of parser abuse. Wonder why.

Technically, for anti-parser people, kicking due to "parsing says you are bad" is an abuse...
Even if for the ilvl the guy you kicked is far under the "minimum" for a decent play. And, fun thing, i saw on FFXIV also this matter (where it is easier i think to define your rotation of skills)... This kind of player that do like what... 50% of the damages they should at least with their stuff...


The funniest thing about "parser yes or no?" is :
Parser are already in use (even if anti dislike it)
Parser are allowed time you dont kick "because parsers says you are bad" (so, just kick anyone without saying anything, and no matter... so much better yes)
There is a website where anyone can upload parsing data from a fight or another (FFlogs). Website already use from some people to select who they accept / deny in their team (not all, probably a minority yes)

So, the "no" are defending a situation bad for people from "yes team" and... also for themselves ! An official parser would be for a "victim of toxicity" a tool he can use to defend the fact he was good in fact... (so... victim from an abusiv kick)

SE have to choose, between working against FFlogs site, and all existing parser, or doing an official parser. Staying in the middle stance like now is the worst decision. For both team.


But here is (in my opinion) why we are in this silly middle stance : Banning/stopping all parsing system (and FFlogs) would only make more angry a part of population that is activ in end game content... and many of them could drop the game. so, less customer => bad. Doing an official parser? it would make angry the antiparsing team. Compalining about the toxicity (the one i wait them to show...) and... they could also stop their subscription.

No balls... this is the reason

[greytonberry]

Reasons why parsers wont be allowed: HC raiders.

I mean Raiders aren't really the issue at all are they? The problem is that bad players don't want their parties to know how bad they are, but mostly they themselves don't want to know how bad they are. They want to live in their own bubble of them pulling their weight as evidenced by certain other threads lately. To add another unhelpful generalization to the mix "Reasons why parsers wont be allowed: Casuals".

Raiders will almost all already have those numbers ready and available, just feels bad to be a ps4 player interested in parsing.(which i believe the original topic was about?)