How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[KaldeaSahaline]

It is but some people have this funny idea that parsers will noticeably improve the overall skill of players...and well it won't. There is no cure for bad or lazy players. The best thing you can do is get rid of them when you see them play poorly.

I fundamentally disagree. It's human nature to not want your negative business to be in the spotlight (this thread proves that). If you put people in the spotlight they'll generally do what they're supposed to. If that means picking up the slack, etc.

That's exactly what a parser would do. It wouldn't do it for everybody, but I'm absolutely confident just based on human nature alone it'd have a positive effect on player skill. Nobody wants be the CONSTANT blame, so they'll try and fix it.

As I said before I played WoW before and after parsers were common in the game. The amount of bad players didn't noticeably decrease. But the speed in weeding them out and kicking them did.

Actually - I'll see if I can find it for you, but I very firmly remember WoW Devs citing that their data has shown players have gotten better over the years. They attributed it to addons and community theorycrafting. Which includes parsers.

Not only that, but my anecdotal data directly contradicts yours. I have noticed considerably better players over the years, compared to the old days. Something Miste's anecdotes also corroborate. I've been playing WoW since 2004 and FF14 since ARR.

Quite honestly, before this? I was going to give up and assume 2.5-2.75k is the 'average' Not 3k, so at least that error was avoided.

2.8K is what I did in i316 gear on my First O1S kill. In dungeons I think I average about 3k on a single continuous parse in i363.

You could take a look at WoW and see if the general playerbase is noticeably better than FFXIV's. You'll find it's not, despite the fact that the game has had parser add-ons for over a decade. The biggest difference is the frequency of parser related drama and the amount of kicks that occur.

IMHO - the playerbase in WoW is considerably better than the average playerbase in FF14. In FF14 At least 30% of the time my party members have a player who is near dead weight doing the same DPS I did an expansion ago. In WoW? Maybe 5% of the time, and that's stretching it.

You're right though the biggest difference being there are a lot more parser related harassment and kicks in FF14 because it's hidden and not wide open for everyone to see.

I'll find it is not? Are you sure? I think you made the incorrect assumption that I have not played WoW (I've played all expacs since BC). You also seem to think that your experience is the only point of view that exists and what you experienced must be what everyone else will experience too. A singular brush stroke does not make you see the entire painting.

This is anecdotal, but if you want my opinion on my experiences in WoW....

In my experience WoW's average player skill is higher than FFXIV, but this is just my experience so I can't use such a thing to claim the parser did that or not. No one has the proper data to make a determination on that except Blizzard.

In my experience there was not a higher frequency of parser related drama or kicks.

My experience echoes yours.