How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[Sigma-Astra]

Why are you doing farm parties in pf with randoms though?

......Because that's what Party Finder is for? How dare us use a feature in the game made specifically for creating farm parties! How dare us use a feature that has the ability to set actual party requirements and expect people to read them!

If you can't get 8 people together to do it, you need to spend less time griping about carries and more time making friends.

How dare us try and make new friends using a feature in the game made solely to socially interact with other random people! We could say the same thing about you in that you gripe nonstop about raiders and not being able to do harder content while not wishing to put the effort in doing so.

The raiders in this game are odd that way; no one expects to speedkill stuff over and over in the hardest content in the game with randoms.

.....Raiders creating farm parties aren't looking for speedkills, they're looking to farm content over and over to get either a specific mount, music scroll, weapon, crafting item, etc. That's what farm parties are for. Casual players with your mindsets are the oddballs. How dare us for wanting to make parties with other raiders from different servers to do content with!

Yet in this game they complain when it happens. In most other games, if you want to do this you do it with a guild specifically designed for endgame raiding.

Farming Tsukuyomi EX 99 times for totems or Suzaku counts as endgame raiding now...? Please Riyah, just stay out of conversations you have no business poking your nose in except to throw you own personal bias around.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Why are you doing farm parties in pf with randoms though? If you can't get 8 people together to do it, you need to spend less time griping about carries and more time making friends. The raiders in this game are odd that way; no one expects to speedkill stuff over and over in the hardest content in the game with randoms. Yet in this game they complain when it happens. In most other games, if you want to do this you do it with a guild specifically designed for endgame raiding.

Why are bads going into roulettes by themselves or sneaking into farm parties, when they could run it solely with friends and not ruin someone's run?

[HyoMinPark]

Why are you doing farm parties in pf with randoms though? If you can't get 8 people together to do it, you need to spend less time griping about carries and more time making friends. The raiders in this game are odd that way; no one expects to speedkill stuff over and over in the hardest content in the game with randoms. Yet in this game they complain when it happens. In most other games, if you want to do this you do it with a guild specifically designed for endgame raiding.

They complain when they set up dog farm parties or weekly 2-chest parties in PF, and people join who have absolutely no idea what they're doing on either their chosen job or in the content the party is running. Is this a crime? Is it a crime to ask that people know what they're doing when they join farm parties? To not lie about their experience? To not waste the time of 7 other people? I can't speak for you, but I don't like being lied to, nor having my time wasted when I'm trying to farm for a mount or get a weekly clear in. I don't like having my time wasted period.

I have plenty of friends who do Extremes, but we aren't always on at the same time. My static actually did Suzaku on an off-day for weapons, but I was unable to join due to real-life responsibilities. And they've offered to help me get my weapon for progression, but not all of them are available outside of scheduled raid times, and we'd rather spend that time progging Savage. Not clearing Suzaku Ex. So we will have to probably pick up a random or two. Especially if no one we know is available when we decide to do the content.

Hence why we Party Finder. But, again: is it a crime to expect some level of competency - a level that the content itself asks for - from people who join farm groups or weekly 2-chest runs? These aren't dungeons where you can get by not know what you're doing, or get by by eating all the AOEs, or get by not know the basics of your job. Especially now with a new tier; not everyone is geared enough to carry a weak link in some of the Savage floors, and, honestly, we shouldn't be having to carry weak links anyways.

People expect competency in the content because the content requires it. And they have every right to complain when someone shows up that is clearly not competent at the skill level the content requires, and just expects the other 7 people to deal with their short-comings. Like the RDM I once had in a weekly V6S party I joined back when I didn't have a static during Sigmascape: snuck into the party never having cleared, claimed to have "seen enrage" when we get into the instance and see the bonus message, and then spent the entire lockout dying to every mechanic (truly a feat in Chadarnook) to the point where both healers just left him on the ground for the last third of the fight. Because he was too much of a strain on their MP to raise and then die again before his Weakness/Brink fell off.

But, you know. The raiders who tell people like this to please learn the content/their jobs before they venture into Savage are the toxic, mean ones. Not the person who just lied and wasted 7 other people's time and resources.

[Aerlana]

Why are you doing farm parties in pf with randoms though? If you can't get 8 people together to do it, you need to spend less time griping about carries and more time making friends. The raiders in this game are odd that way; no one expects to speedkill stuff over and over in the hardest content in the game with randoms. Yet in this game they complain when it happens. In most other games, if you want to do this you do it with a guild specifically designed for endgame raiding.

So... if you want to get a farm party that does kills fast (to do as much as kill possible during the time you allow for this farm) you do it with people you know, and not in PF.
If you cant get 7 friends to do it, so you HAVE TO go in PF to recruit ANYONE, maybe some you will have to carry and then build friendship... But with this new friend, you cant do the next primal farm. A friend is not "a good player" it is "a guy i like" ...

PF is a tool to help people to find each other. And then you set your preference. Even more when you have a target. And funfact, they finally can become friends... those you had in your interserv LS...
Yes you could also do friends in people with less focus on PvE content, but nothing will force you to take them for your farm.

Not because you dont have enough friend to do a content, i have to lower the expetations for the team? accept people that will maybe create some wipe?

[RiyahArp]

......Because that's what Party Finder is for? How dare us use a feature in the game made specifically for creating farm parties! How dare us use a feature that has the ability to set actual party requirements and expect people to read them!

Do you not get that if you try and do any hard content with randoms, you are going to get these issues? Do you think a parser is going to change this? It won't. Farming 99 tokens, yeesh, like its easier to do this with people whom you don't know, can leave at a moments notice, can vary widely in skill even if they use a parser, can be argumentative, and more. You think its a parser issue when its a random issue, and there's never going to be a time when pugs are going to be "solved" because we have a parser. Smart people build statics and do content in them; the raiders in this game are trying to fix something that can't be fixed, when the fix is to do content with people you trust.

If you cant get 7 friends to do it, so you HAVE TO go in PF to recruit ANYONE

what on earth would you guys ever do if the endgame were based around 24 man raids? If you can't get 7 other people as friends in an mmo to do raid content, there's something wrong. It's not like you need to spend 4 hour farming a pop and two hours fighting the pop boss or anything.

[HyoMinPark]

Do you not get that if you try and do any hard content with randoms, you are going to get these issues? Do you think a parser is going to change this? It won't. Farming 99 tokens, yeesh, like its easier to do this with people whom you don't know, can leave at a moments notice, can vary widely in skill even if they use a parser, can be argumentative, and more. You think its a parser issue when its a random issue, and there's never going to be a time when pugs are going to be "solved" because we have a parser. Smart people build statics and do content in them; the raiders in this game are trying to fix something that can't be fixed, when the fix is to do content with people you trust.

Or the randoms could have a shred of decency and not join content they aren't ready for just expecting the rest of the party to carry them? Just a thought.

[Sigma-Astra]

Do you not get that if you try and do any hard content with randoms, you are going to get these issues? Do you think a parser is going to change this? It won't.

And believe it or not....but, I expect most randoms to have a basic reading comprehension level in order to play this game where "if you're not prepared for this content, don't click the Join button for this party, you doofus". Do you not get that? Is reading literally an extra step and effort now for people in this game?

Farming 99 tokens, yeesh, like its easier to do this with people whom you don't know, can leave at a moments notice, can vary widely in skill even if they use a parser, can be argumentative, and more.

I had 99 Tsuku tokens farmed after 7 weeks through Party Finder on late nights with randoms, sometimes friends helped, sometimes they couldn't. People have lives outside of this game Riyah, you're acting like it's unheard of that people can't be a ready at a moment's notice when you personally want to do something. Stop trying to find ways to nitpick with these weak excuses.

Smart people build statics and do content in them; the raiders in this game are trying to fix something that can't be fixed, when the fix is to do content with people you trust.

And smart people read the party finder description before joining the party. Smart people also read their tooltips. A shame that most of the player base doesn't do this.

[KaldeaSahaline]

This isn't about ACT, this is about parsers.

ACT is a parser....

[RiyahArp]

Or the randoms could have a shred of decency and not join content they aren't ready for just expecting the rest of the party to carry them? Just a thought.

You rely on randoms, you take what you can get. There's no way the devs can solve this by adding a parser, because most people who do endgame already use or can easily use them. If you don't like it, don't rely on randoms, and don't raid if "real life issues" make it so you can't show up frequently. Go build a cross server linkshell, or a server fc full of enough competent people that they can cover for the times when real life does intrude. If you try and force a fix through dev means, it's probably going to backfire; it may keep the bads out, but it may also end up keeping the people who would try and improve out too.

People have lives outside of this game Riyah,

sheesh, this game has the least time-demanding endgame of any mmo out there. Schedule your farms for one night a week for two or three hours; if people can't make it to that, they probably should consider if raiding is what they want to do. Because in other games there would be none of this, you get kicked if you don't show up on time enough. And you make sure you schedule things so people can plan for it. If you consistently need to pug stuff, that's a people failure; you need to talk to the people who aren't showing up and see what's up.

[SenorPatty]

Or the randoms could have a shred of decency and not join content they aren't ready for just expecting the rest of the party to carry them? Just a thought.

Nope, clearly it's your fault for creating the PF in the first place. You're overestimating the playerbase's ability to read requirements and understand that if they don't pull their weight, you will disband.

So everyone should static up and never use the PF ever again. Don't even look at it, don't even--HEY, I SAID DON'T LOOK-- don't even mention it. Instead, you should expect everyone to have the same time availability for all content and that they can only run stuff with you by dropping everything they were doing in-game or in real life and come at your beck and call.

EDIT: woops, almost forgot to add a smiley face so it shows that I was not being toxic. Where are my manners?