How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[Sneakaboo]

You will always meet people in MMORPG's that are toxic, parser or no parser.
These people do not need a parser to harasses you and ARR an any other online game with out a parser are the proof of that.

- You'll get blamed for others their mistakes
- You'll get kicked/flamed for making a mistake
- You'll get picked on because of your gear
- The run wasn't fast enough
- You should pull more
- You are a try hard and play too good
- You're being too social and too polite

As a healer in any MMORPG I've played I ran into toxic people who blame you while they stood in a big green puddle.
People their poor behavior in Moba's/MMO's/FPS/Forums/Twitter/facebook or just in RL have nothing to do with a parser.
The depraved garbage you see online is everywhere, it's just how people are online.


An ingame parser will help people improve, it will add some fun for some players. There will be some harassing others with it ,but those are the same people who currently kick you or state you are bad because they think you are.
However people need to stop being spastic about it and blame the tool instead of a part of the community.


As some one who plays a healer I love an add on that parses damage/healing and death logs.
Helps me figuring out what went wrong instead of speculating, not a fan of using 3rd party stuff.

[Sneakaboo]

In most countries this is not an offensive term and can be used, I do not imply that people that disagree with me have a disability.
I do imply that some people overreact on these forums when the discussion parsers is being brought up.
While I respect your point of view the term doesn't mean that in most countries, if you consider it to be offensive you might want to reconsider quoting it.
Currently there is a trend going on where every thing is offensive and every one feels victimized.
If a moderator considers it to break the forum code they can remove it and I here by apologize. Perhaps they can censor it in the future.
Anyway I rather stick to the topic than discuss this any further.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

And this is why FFlogs is Toxic.

Fflogs is a collection of factual data.
By its very nature it can not be toxic.

The people using that data could be argued as toxic, but other posters have responded to that sentiment already.

If you breathe you're toxic.

Oxygen is actually toxic...
Breathe in too much and it'll kill you.

It's also a participant in corrosion.

[starlesss]

i finally managed to read all 62 pages of this tread and decided to make a tl:dr of the people against parsers:

People will be mean to me because my damage is low.

its toxic to not accept someone because their a liability and we should all carry them even if its a farming party.

you don't need a parser to improve. you just gotta be amazing at the and read a guide and then run something perfectly.

the introduction of parser will not improve the communities skill level.

theorycrafters find everything out with simulations and ability descriptions.

FFlogs is toxic

japan's mentality is different and so yoshi-p wont introduce official parsers to avoid potential toxicity (the only legit argument i can remember reading in this tread)

people say WoW is toxic, WoW allowed parsing that means parsing brings toxicity

they shouldn't put parsing because raiders are elitist and will abuse it.

and my favorite parcers=the devil (you would think people would think a bit more about what they say after experiencing HW)

I was on the fence about parsers at the beginning thinking it could possibly lead to more toxicity. But reading trough this tread made me realize that SE should stop coddling us, because it seems the most toxic people are the non parsers living in there bubble

[TaiyoShikasu]

the introduction of parser will not improve the communities skill level.

They're not wrong.

[Jijifli]

the introduction of parser will not improve the communities skill level.

They're not wrong.

Putting both so context isn't lost.

So yes, there will be players that won't improve even if one was put in. That's going to exist.

In those cases, where the player feels it's justified to do 5th percentile in a farm party, we can remove them. Honestly, with what I've seen, some people get into content and aren't even playing the game. Why can do them a favor by replacing them. Instead of not playing the game in Suzaku ex, they can not play the game in Idylshire.

People aren't expecting some 90th percentile god in there. But they're probably expecting a dps to do more dps than the tank was doing in ARR. If they don't want to learn, they can stay out of parties that want things done. They can hang out with Mr. Butcher Block Only No Combo over in Snowclolak.

[Liam_Harper]

They're not wrong.

Mostly because even with an official parser, the majority will refuse to utilize it because "who cares if I'm doing half what the tank does, I play this game for fun" and "dodging mechanics is more important <dies to mechanic>".

[SenorPatty]

@starless

You forgot to add that even if someone silently disbands a party after repeated wipes, it's toxic because the parser showed who was at fault but the party leader didn't want to tell the culprit directly in order to avoid being reported for being toxic.


Also, breathing is toxic. (Sorry Dual, this is a meme now. Deal with it ;p )

[Sigma-Astra]

@starless

You forgot to add that even if someone silently disbands a party after repeated wipes, it's toxic because the parser showed who was at fault but the party leader didn't want to tell the culprit directly in order to avoid being reported for being toxic.


Also, breathing is toxic. (Sorry Dual, this is a meme now. Deal with it ;p )

We should also add that being good at any game is toxic. We're all suppose to be terrible.

Cleared Sonic 2 without dying once? You're toxic, man. You should have died 5 times in the Chemical Plant Zone.