How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[Hamada]

It seems to me that the dummies are not sufficient enough for those players who want to get better. It's nice to smack around a dummy in the 3 minutes that you get, but it's simply not enough, especially in a raid setting. The chances of Yoshi budging on this are low to null, but surely there has to be something that would assist with those of us stuck on PS4 that the devs could give us in an official capacity. If not an in-game parser, then maybe the option (key word here) to enable us to view how we personally did after an instance.

I hate having to be stuck on PS4 and having to bother people to help me figure out how I'm doing. Regardless of how many people have offered, I feel like a pest because at the end of the day, I'm still asking them to take some time out of whatever they are doing to help me. It would be nice to just have ...something on PS4.
Sure, there are the arguments that it would lead to toxicity, but if it's a personal meter that mimics what PvP has, or something similar, how can that be toxic unless you share the information with others? Anybody demanding to see what you have at the end of a duty can easily be reported. I just would like something on the PS4 side.

It's not cool that a select group of individuals rail against parsing in every form, incarnation, or whatever they want to call it and state that it's a crutch, cheat tool, an epeen stick, etc., then here I am desperately trying not to be a bad player and hearing their voices, I fear I'll never become at the very least a decent player, because they give so much opposition to even having an official option on consoles. Players who want to improve should be given something that allows them to improve, at their option. Again, bringing up that key word, option. Like Duty Recorder.

If the devs can bring in instruments, then I know they are capable of doing something like this. And honestly, until the devs finally cave in and put to work on something that a lot of people are actually asking for, this is just going to keep coming up by a lot of others. Honestly, if they can implement instruments, how hard can it be to put in some kind of parse tool compatible for PS4 that only allows you to parse yourself?

How would something like that even lead to toxicity? I can't wrap my head how a personal tool that only you would see (unless you decide to do something like share it publicly) would equate to an increase in toxicity.

Because the skill gap is too big. Even yoshi-p is aware of this as I heard something on the lines of "will think about it once the skill gap is less" A LOT of people simply do not know how to play, and when you try to advice them, they lash out, so can you picture what the situation will be when people can actually see it? Most people do not know how to see rotation issues without parsers. I am all for it, but i feel the general player base isn't. Given this is a forum for a game, most people that know how to play will be here, so this thread is more on the lines of preaching to the choir.

[CryBloodwing]

I would love a parser that would only show my damage output or healing, but also would show the average output of the same classes that did that same content. So I could compare myself to the average player, not another person in the party.

[TheCount]

It would be completely non-optional. I think you know that though, OP, the moment they add something like that it would be mandatory and watched like a hawk.

[reiichi]

The only situation in which I'd accept a parser in game was if it worked like the duty recorder. All people must agree to it beforehand and it's only there for "high-end" duties where that sort of above-average gameplay is really needed.

In regular content, it's already easy enough to tell whether a single person or a group aren't pulling their weight. We don't need to attach a number to it. If someone is honestly trying to improve their ability to play the game, there are already plenty of posts with advice and guides. There are plenty of theorycrafters who've worked out rotations and melds for equipment.

And as with any feature, we know people would find a way to abuse it, as with any feature. I find the cons of parsing to be greater than their supposed benefit.

[Legion88]

The only situation in which I'd accept a parser in game was if it worked like the duty recorder. All people must agree to it beforehand and it's only there for "high-end" duties where that sort of above-average gameplay is really needed.

This, but with the full analysing features of fflogs please, i don't care about the rankings, just the analysing.

To be honest i don't fear more toxicity. What is the worst that could happen? Writing more reports and i'm not even sure for this.

[Musashidon]

yoshi p is 100% against parsers. it's not that they can't or unable to they flat won't.

they are so against them that add on's are on permanent hiatus due to players being able to make parsers with it.

a long time ago it was determined the cons out way the pros with parsers (dev wise)

[Hyperia]

People either consciously or subconsciously are always trying to rank themselves against others. Because of that, they will tend to make decisions about a person only by their numbers and not any other factor. When I played wow and had a parser, I found myself subconsciously saying this person is bad because they are doing half the dps of the other dps. When I got away from parsers by coming here, I adopted this philosophy: If the boss is dead, we had fun, got our goodies and had a good time... who cares what they parsed.uou rise and fall as a team, there are more than enough tools to identify payers having a problem in this game.

If we really want an official parser, let’s try this: Create the Hall of the Raider and have that room use the official parser while you work on the dummy with RNG events happening around you. You can work on your rotation while dealing with random mechanics. They wouldn’t be too intense but the random mechanics would simulate a raiding run to a degree.

[Maeka]

People either consciously or subconsciously are always trying to rank themselves against others. Because of that, they will tend to make decisions about a person only by their numbers and not any other factor. When I played wow and had a parser, I found myself subconsciously saying this person is bad because they are doing half the dps of the other dps. When I got away from parsers by coming here, I adopted this philosophy: If the boss is dead, we had fun, got our goodies and had a good time... who cares what they parsed.uou rise and fall as a team, there are more than enough tools to identify payers having a problem in this game.

If we really want an official parser, let’s try this: Create the Hall of the Raider and have that room use the official parser while you work on the dummy with RNG events happening around you. You can work on your rotation while dealing with random mechanics. They wouldn’t be too intense but the random mechanics would simulate a raiding run to a degree.

While I agree with this, there are times that we will struggle and struggle and struggle through fights, and I'm scratching my head wondering why... is one of the DPS not doing their job? Why is this so hard when we all appear to have decent gear judging from our health meters?

And then I can get that someone might go "am *I* the one missing cooldowns and having a terrible rotation?"

So yes, I'd like to have a private-only DPS meter so I could actually figure out how to do things better on my own.

[Maeka]

Yeah, Tank/DPS stance should be a choice you make, depending on the situation.

Even in Mist Dragon, switching to DPS when he brings out the heads is awesome. Staying in Tank Stance is not, especially if we eat the AoE because the heads didn't die fast enough.

But, from what I see a lot of tanks doing, it's "Always DPS Stance on Boss, All the Time" and I've even seen a couple tanks doing it on Mist Dragon and also the poo monster at the end of Mocianne's. Slime gets hit twice and is about to explode.... tank has DPS stance on. Awesome.

[Sakuraluna]

I don’t see how a private parser that gives us only our own numbers, that we could then compare to the rest of the community on our own terms and use that information to gauge how much we need to improve and where, would be any more toxic than what we already have. There are always gonna be those who choose to seek out other players’ parses so that they can criticize those players, but IMO if players could more freely access information on how they perform in actual content, maybe there wouldn’t be the levels of negativity there are if more people were up to par. I’d completely support a private parser.

Wouldn’t be a fan of an official parser that lets players compare the rest of a party’s performance to theirs though. That would invite toxicity.