How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[MoroMurasaki]

How do you think they got the answers to show you online?

Why by adding up all the info in their battle log of course!

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Trial and error and if you feel lazy you can simply search on internet for people who actually bothered to do so and kindly posted their findings

And where does that trial and error come from? Theory crafting on target dummies for hours while running a parse to gauge the difference in damage. Every single rotation video on Youtube is someone who spent time with ACT running and compared their damage with other players. Take parsers away and you're literally throwing darts at a board and hoping something sticks.

[Penthea]

And where does that trial and error come from? Theory crafting on target dummies for hours while running a parse to gauge the difference in damage. Every single rotation video on Youtube is someone who spent time with ACT running and compared their damage with other players. Take parsers away and you're literally throwing darts at a board and hoping something sticks.

Actually a lot of the time this work is done with simulators, as they can do a full encounter's worth of combat in a fraction of the time without human error to alter the results. Not saying work isn't also done by humans with parsers, just merely stating they are not the sole source of information for theory crafters.

[thegreatonemal]

Just butting in... How do you think the best rotations are found?

math, the damage formula is known and potency values are given hell. for this expansion your rotation was already figured out before you logged into stormblood for the first time parsers have nothing to do with it.

[HyoMinPark]

math, the damage formula is known and potency values are given hell. for this expansion your rotation was already figured out before you logged into stormblood for the first time parsers have nothing to do with it.

Fairly certain the rotations were hypothesized before launch, and then tested afterwards to see if the hypothetical opener/rotation was actually the best to do. Parsers had everything to do with that.

[Selova]

Fairly certain the rotations were hypothesized before launch, and then tested afterwards to see if the hypothetical opener/rotation was actually the best to do. Parsers had everything to do with that.

Honestly, I'd give up trying to reason with him. I'm still convinced he's just a dedicated troll spouting such hilarious gems such as:"Using myself as an example I'm a ps4 player and when i learn a fight i'm pretty much flawless when it comes to doing the mechanics" and "The point is that there is no point to parsing it means nothing unless you are speed running". He, as well as others have clearly displayed their lack of knowledge in understanding how parsers assist in coming up with optimal rotations. If they seriously want to believe that theory crafters just stare at the battle log and potency tool tips all day, more power to them. Trying to debate someone who lives and apparently "get's off" in their own bubble of ignorance is literally a waste of time.

[Aerlana]

about theorycrafter : FFXIV doesnt show your %chance of getting a critic. You dont know how much you have with 0 in crit score, or with 2000 in. so... before doing mathematics (because bards get proc due to critical if it didnt change with SB), they have to being able to calculate how much critical for 1%... => spamming skills and parse this to have an idea. then repeat with another, and another, AND another crit score, to define (not perfectly but close to it) the crit score => X% crit.

Before SB, we had miss chance depending again on a secundary stat. accuracy. Too much acc => lost stat. not enough => chance to miss. So, knwing the hard cap (THE exact score of accuracy to have 0 miss chance) was mandatory to optimize stuff. How? doing the fights, and then, reading how much miss, then there was some people collecting all data from numerous players, to have the exact score.

And yes, no more accuracy, but... we need it for critical... it changes each expansion.
So, before saying a parser is useless, try to do all those guides without.

[SDaemon]

Since someone quoted it, I wanna mention something here too.

You think Parsing is why WoW is "toxic" compared to FFXIV? I'd argue at this point, nobody outside of mythic raiding gives a care what your dps is. They only care about your item level, straight up.

People get called out on their dps in LFR all the time. Never really results in a kick but its linked and people ridicule each other fairly regularly. Normal and Heroic raids as well, if anything Mythic is much less toxic. M+ dungeons your IO score trumps ilvl though they still care about your dps since trash pulling and burning quickly and efficiently is key.

[Jijifli]

People get called out on their dps in LFR all the time. Never really results in a kick but its linked and people ridicule each other fairly regularly. Normal and Heroic raids as well, if anything Mythic is much less toxic. M+ dungeons your IO score trumps ilvl though they still care about your dps since trash pulling and burning quickly and efficiently is key.

Guess I'm lucky. Not even top 10 with Frost Mage, nobody says a thing.

And LFR is balanced around 90% of the party afk anyways. Anyone getting iffy about dps there is having some security issues. I'd argue WoW LFR is more casual friendly than FFXIV.