How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[Dualgunner]

DPS just don't want the same accountability as tanks and healers. Understandable, but ultimately not good if you want to better your game play.

Bit of a blanket statement there, don't you think? I'm a dps main who advocates for a full in game parser and combat analysis suite--that is to say, make sure the ingame parser analyzes combat logs as much as fflogs does so that people can go over everything in a pull. DPS, hps, mitigation used, positioning for mechanics, burst alignment etc.

[Legion88]

Bit of a blanket statement there, don't you think? I'm a dps main who advocates for a full in game parser and combat analysis suite--that is to say, make sure the ingame parser analyzes combat logs as much as fflogs does so that people can go over everything in a pull. DPS, hps, mitigation used, positioning for mechanics, burst alignment etc.

Don't forget the implementation of functions from xivanalysis

[MoroMurasaki]

Don't forget the implementation of functions from xivanalysis

And the rdps calculator!

[Legion88]

And the rdps calculator!

This i didn't know of, but i focused more on the selfimprovement part for parsing.

[MoroMurasaki]

This i didn't know of, but i focused more on the selfimprovement part for parsing.

It's mostly just incentive for me to not selfishly horde Embolden as I did while learning RDM.

In a way it's a kind of self improvment, it shows you the effects of dps utility abilities so you have a tangible 'oh look I helped' recap.

[Ilyrian]

Bit of a blanket statement there, don't you think? I'm a dps main who advocates for a full in game parser and combat analysis suite--that is to say, make sure the ingame parser analyzes combat logs as much as fflogs does so that people can go over everything in a pull. DPS, hps, mitigation used, positioning for mechanics, burst alignment etc.

DPS who are against integrating a parser. Thought that was clear from the post.

[AxlStream]

From personal experience, the lowest DPS are usually the most toxic so I'd argue... A parser would actually reduce toxicity. Can't talk about DPS when tanks and heals are burying you on the meters.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

The game just has no real way to show dps players they aren't playing to a reasonable standard...


We could bring up stone, sky, sea...
That is about the best the devs have put in to show how well a player is performing.

But, it lacks in feedback.
It's a binary pass/fail.
And it's optional.


There's little to no incentive for people to participate in it.
I believe it is supposed to be tuned to show if someone is ready for a piece of content or not.

Perhaps if sss was required to be passed to enter content...
True there's no mechanics to them...
But, if they can't manage the dps check on the dummies without mechanics, then they certainly can't pass the check while dealing with mechanics.

But, I suppose we can't have the game tell people they need to get good to participate...

[RiyahArp]

But, I suppose we can't have the game tell people they need to get good to participate...

There's actually a serious problem with this.

Let's say its a new tier. It requires you to beat a gatekeeping battle that's harder than SSS (because a lot of people think the dummies aren't a good measure. So maybe a mock battle or something.)

One guy beats it on day one, and gets to work on the tier because he's a good player who already raids.

One guy can't beat it at all, and stops raiding.

One guy takes a week to beat it.

The problem though is the last guy is going to be delayed enough that it might matter for progression. The weaker or newer they are, the harder it will be to find people. I mean, the people who beat it day one will be ahead of them and less likely to get newbies because finishing later my be a sign that you had issues with the dps check. It might be more of a discouragement than people think. It's add more teeth to the "two week problem," that it's harder to progress in stuff 2 weeks after a patch.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

There's actually a serious problem with this.

Let's say its a new tier. It requires you to beat a gatekeeping battle that's harder than SSS (because a lot of people think the dummies aren't a good measure. So maybe a mock battle or something.)

One guy beats it on day one, and gets to work on the tier because he's a good player who already raids.

One guy can't beat it at all, and stops raiding.

One guy takes a week to beat it.

The problem though is the last guy is going to be delayed enough that it might matter for progression. The weaker or newer they are, the harder it will be to find people. I mean, the people who beat it day one will be ahead of them and less likely to get newbies because finishing later my be a sign that you had issues with the dps check. It might be more of a discouragement than people think. It's add more teeth to the "two week problem," that it's harder to progress in stuff 2 weeks after a patch.

I suppose the sss dummies for content could be released some time prior to the actual content release.
It's not like there's much to spoil apart from an idea of what the devs think the dps requirement would be.