How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[KaldeaSahaline]

And you made the very same assumption yourself. I mean, I guess it could stand the reason that he utilizes FFlogs for information, but doesn't actually have the parser...but that's a bit far fetched isn't it? You assumed he made the last comment based on looking at the FFlogs website, much like my assumption that he is using ACT himself...we will never truly know...but a bit of the pot calling the kettle black there.

I'm fine with your other responses. They make sense.

However, I wanted to key in on this last bit. It's not the assumption you made that I took issue with (it's a perfectly reasonable assumption). It was the broad brush you used that assumption on to paint ALL players who parse into a bucket.

The bottom line is if tomorrow SE decided to unleash an unmitigated fully in depth parser the world wouldn't end. There'd be some reports and growing pains and then the community would stabilize. It's not like by implementing it it's allowing open doors to harassment and vulgarity and the fact that you even tried to cite that as a valid reason was disingenuous at best.

[AdamFyi]

Honestly, if the devs were to actually implement an official parser, it would very likely be heavily censored or overly simplified. One possible implementation would be something similar to racing games and how the racer's positions are updated real-time as they drive along the track. In this case, the parser would shift players around as the fight progresses by how much damage is dealt to the boss, but not actually show you the damage numbers. Though, that does mean that you won't know how much of a difference in damage, say, between second and third would be; could be just by a few hundred, or it could very well be in the thousands. There's very little point in implementing a parser like that though.

[Divinemights]

For god’s sake, stop asking for parser. This is not WoW

[DaulBan]

For god’s sake, stop asking for parser. This is not WoW

Why do people say this? WoW doesn't have a parser out of the box, you gotta go install it from a third party site, just like with FF, and in WoW I've literally never seen anyone get heckled for their DPS.

[Divinemights]

Why do people say this? WoW doesn't have a parser out of the box, you gotta go install it from a third party site, just like with FF, and in WoW I've literally never seen anyone get heckled for their DPS.

It is only because you are not in an officer chat.
Also, even WoW does not have an official parser out of the box, why S/E need to offer one?

[ElHeggunte]

Why do people say this? WoW doesn't have a parser out of the box, you gotta go install it from a third party site, just like with FF, and in WoW I've literally never seen anyone get heckled for their DPS.

They weren't exactly heckled for it, but I was in a Heroic raid last week where we had to remove a DPS who was doing less damage than the tanks. Like... way less damage. Which is precisely why I want an official parser in XIV too, so there's no song and dance around trying to find out who's dragging down the rest of the group. Personal parsers and ratings at the end of the run are useless for in-the-now progression and overall.

It is only because you are not in an officer chat.
Also, even WoW does not have an official parser out of the box, why S/E need to offer one?

Why shouldn't it? I've never seen a legitimate argument against parsers. It always boils down to "someone might use it to be mean" which is a poor reason not to have a helpful tool. Some people may use it to be a dick, but they're going to find a way to be a dick regardless.

[Maeka]

It is only because you are not in an officer chat.
Also, even WoW does not have an official parser out of the box, why S/E need to offer one?

WoW does not have a threat meter out of the box, but yet FFXIV does.

[JunseiKei]

For god’s sake, stop asking for parser.

This gets asked far too often. The answer that keeps coming back is a very firm "No." Perhaps joking or not, Yoshida started to walk out on yet-another-Parser-please question. To the point that he said, "No, we will not make an official parser, even if it only tracks the individual. We know it will be broken, re-coded or otherwise re-worked by the community to display everyone. Please stop asking."

As for the topic, "how would a parser be toxic?" Before SE pushed the 'don't ask, don't tell' mentality of parsers, people were kicking under performing players for not pulling arbitrary numbers in their parties. This is probably what SE is trying to avoid, because if they make, or otherwise acknowledge, an allowance of the tool, people will be excluded for ... reasons ... on a game they pay a membership for. It will then be SE's problem officially. Right now, it's more of a 'don't want bad players, don't run with random players' - like any other MMO or multiplayer game.

[SenorPatty]

This gets asked far too often. The answer that keeps coming back is a very firm "No." Perhaps joking or not, Yoshida started to walk out on yet-another-Parser-please question. To the point that he said, "No, we will not make an official parser, even if it only tracks the individual. We know it will be broken, re-coded or otherwise re-worked by the community to display everyone. Please stop asking."

As for the topic, "how would a parser be toxic?" Before SE pushed the 'don't ask, don't tell' mentality of parsers, people were kicking under performing players for not pulling arbitrary numbers in their parties. This is probably what SE is trying to avoid, because if they make, or otherwise acknowledge, an allowance of the tool, people will be excluded for ... reasons ... on a game they pay a membership for. It will then be SE's problem officially. Right now, it's more of a 'don't want bad players, don't run with random players' - like any other MMO or multiplayer game.

Source on that quote please. I know he walked out jokingly but I never saw that exact quote.

[Legion88]

Source on that quote please. I know he walked out jokingly but I never saw that exact quote.

Me too.

I only know the statement for the great skill gap and he would think about implementing one when/if the gap would be smaller.