How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[SenorPatty]

@Kaiva
Aye I agree

Btw, I do hope SE at the very least takes a small step and allow something like ACT but for oneself. For those sayinh SSS already exist, then why not just convert the whole place into an arena you can directly teleport to and upgrade the dummies into a full dummy training room. Allow the reset of cds, allow users to tinker with dummy settings like debuffs and buffs, level, rate of common telegraphed attacks, etc. I could go on and on but the starting kit is right there in the game: the battle log. Spruce and clean that up and ps4 users can finally dig deeper on what they can improve on.

[NessaWyvern]

improvements don't really mean anything other than self satisfaction. That's not worth the damage it will cause to the community at large.

I don't think an official parser would cause that much damage at all. There's already player created parsers for PC users, they've been around since ARR, there's already numbers posted at the end of FLs and feast, and WoW has most people using parsers, and I could count the times someone has mentioned them in-game on one hand, let alone abused someone for it. And if you do get abused for it, there's still the report function, blacklist, and you can still leave the party.

And with an official self-only parser, people won't really know what other people's numbers are anyway.
Also improvements means passing dps checks, getting clears, and why else do people play games, other than self-satisfaction?

[Maeka]

I don't think an official parser would cause that much damage at all. There's already player created parsers for PC users, they've been around since ARR, there's already numbers posted at the end of FLs and feast, and WoW has most people using parsers, and I could count the times someone has mentioned them in-game on one hand, let alone abused someone for it. And if you do get abused for it, there's still the report function, blacklist, and you can still leave the party.

And with an official self-only parser, people won't really know what other people's numbers are anyway.
Also improvements means passing dps checks, getting clears, and why else do people play games, other than self-satisfaction?

Yeah, but FFLogs is a third party website and they don't record casual stuff like Roulettes and such, because nobody cares. However, if you could parse people in-game without the website, then I bet people could, and would, use the parsing tool to be jerks in content where you don't need parses, IE, leveling roulette etc.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I really rather people not see how garbage I am because I already know I'm garbage. >> At least without a parser, they can't tell 100% just how awful I am. |: I don't mind if I could see my own or if people could see their own, but I don't like other people seeing my over all performance number/statistics wise and then judging me and comparing me to others based on that. I think it has a lot of potential for bullying/harassment/exclusion/little-to-no room for growth if consistently excluded, etc.

Why not work on improving? No good player turned on FFXIV one day and suddenly parsed orange. If you truly are garbage (you may surprise yourself, after all), by refusing to improve, you've essentially told your party to pick up the slack while you reap the benefits. Not exactly fair now is it?

And I guarantee in any EX or Savage fight, someone has ACT running. They may not upload, but most raiders are using it.

I mean... this is what we have to deal with without an in game parser...and you know this griefer has ACT. Imagine how scathing this would be if an in game parser was added, and now nothing is holding him back. Not only can he be a dick, but he can be a dick, and post numbers. For context, the griefer died to ignoring mechanics on Burn's first boss. White mage died trying to slow res him, and got clipped by AoE in process. He was calling for me to die, so we can reset. I didn't, cause boss was near dead, and I thought I had a chance, could use his long AoE casts to heal up with souleater. Got him down to from 5% to 2%, with him trolling me all the while.

I'd rather not give him an in game parser, so he can harass with numbers legitimately as well.

Calling someone bad is not harassment. Are they being rude? Absolutely. But nothing he said actually requires ACT. Therefore, if parsers were 100% banned tomorrow, this exchange still happens, thus proving it's not a the parser but the individual who is toxic. And that regardless of whether parsers exist, people who want to vocally their annoyances are going to do so. I mean, in a lot of chances if you were performing badly, you'd simply be silently kicked. Now you have no idea why it happened. Do you prefer that?

With that all said, I can forgive the low ilvl if you've been away from the game for a while. But the materia excuse just doesn't fly anymore. If you can't afford them, spam Leveling Roulette on a tank for a few days. That's a guaranteed Cluster for every single run. There is, frankly, no excuse to not have melds short of laziness. Likewise, use cheaper food. Priestly Omelette are still a good alternative despite being Heavensward food. Of course, I'm assuming this is Savage you were attempting. If it's normal, then who cares? The person's getting uppity over nothing.

Yeah, but FFLogs is a third party website and they don't record casual stuff like Roulettes and such, because nobody cares. However, if you could parse people in-game without the website, then I bet people could, and would, use the parsing tool to be jerks in content where you don't need parses, IE, leveling roulette etc.

Actually... FFlogs has a category for all 70 dungeons, normal modes and 24 man raids. Basically everything at level 70 can be uploaded. No one cares though because it's not difficult content. Even EX Primals are treated more as "lol cool" in regards to parsing. In fact, I spent a few hours with some randoms a while back and we meme'd with balance pads on Tsukiyomi because why not. It was fun. This doom and gloom scenario you have simply wouldn't exist, at least not to any ubiquitous degree. Sure, you will get the occasional jerk, but welcome to the Internet. That person will be a jerk with or without a parser.

[MoroMurasaki]

In fact, I spent a few hours with some randoms a while back and we meme'd with balance pads on Tsukiyomi because why not.

I thought we were friends ;-;

'Some randoms' </3

[Shouko]

Why does it matter there are 3rd party ones already available, they don't need official ones.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I thought we were friends ;-;

'Some randoms' </3

You weren't in that party!

[thegreatonemal]

I don't think an official parser would cause that much damage at all. There's already player created parsers for PC users, they've been around since ARR, there's already numbers posted at the end of FLs and feast, and WoW has most people using parsers, and I could count the times someone has mentioned them in-game on one hand, let alone abused someone for it. And if you do get abused for it, there's still the report function, blacklist, and you can still leave the party.

And with an official self-only parser, people won't really know what other people's numbers are anyway.
Also improvements means passing dps checks, getting clears, and why else do people play games, other than self-satisfaction?

This is a team based game if you failed to realize you striving to add 50 points to your dps amounts to nothing the boss still dies at roughly the same time. Rotations for the most part are static when they do change its because your entire team as tweaked them for a particular fight. At the end of the day if you can preform your rotation your damage is fine and you are a valuable member of your team.

[Legion88]

This is a team based game if you failed to realize you striving to add 50 points to your dps amounts to nothing the boss still dies at roughly the same time. Rotations for the most part are static when they do change its because your entire team as tweaked them for a particular fight. At the end of the day if you can preform your rotation your damage is fine and you are a valuable member of your team.

That is right "team based" is the key, but this doesn't mean the team has to carry the single one or the single one has to carry the team.
It means every single team mate has to contribute and improve himself to improve the ability of the team to clear or clear faster.

Even in amateur sports the weak links will be exchanged.

[NessaWyvern]

However, if you could parse people in-game without the website, then I bet people could, and would, use the parsing tool to be jerks in content where you don't need parses, IE, leveling roulette etc.

That's why I mentioned "self-only parser". So you only see your own numbers. Atm you get jerks who blame others for bad dps when they're not using a parser anyway (when they themselves have bad dps) , so things won't change much. In fact some delusional jerks might have their own eyes opened if they could see their own dps. And like I said, there's still the report and blacklist function.