How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[sarehptar]

Regardless of my own opinion on parsers (which is that I would always expect at least one person in the group to have one, and I like to know my own numbers when I'm doing things worth parsing), I can see the logic behind not even adding a personal parser.

I mean, the first time the group wipes due to low DPS, expect the chat to flood with "Post your numbers" or people throwing their own numbers out voluntarily to demonstrate that it wasn't them i.e. point fingers at others. This is inevitably going to lead to people being badgered, especially if they don't want to share their numbers. (The opinion "People with low DPS deserve to be badgered" is a whole other can of worms.) Probably would be plenty of salt if someone lies about their numbers and others notice (such as if someone is using a "real" parser). I doubt it would go this far in most parties, but there would probably even be some parties listed as "If you don't want to share numbers, don't join" or even "SS in Discord required." If they make the personal parser optional, please look forward to "Parse or don't join" groups in PF.

The argument that "There's already plenty of ways to be toxic, so adding this won't increase toxicity" is kind of like saying "There's already plenty of ways for my house to burn down, so there's no reason not to leave the stove on." Any additional avenue to harass others will result in more harassment; that's just the nature of humans. To me, the question isn't "Will this cause more harassment?" but "Does the amount of benefit this would have outweigh the increase in harassment?" The devs seem to be on the side of no, it won't.

(Side note: As a PS4 player, I find it a bit ://// when people on PS4 act like they have no way of judging their skill and output. Even without a parser, anyone who has decent understanding of the game and other DPS classes can tell who is being a drag to the party--and you can definitely tell when it is you who is weighing the party down. Pretending you have no sense of where you stand in DPS just because you don't have access to a parser is nothing but a nice-sounding excuse.)

They've already basically said no to parsers a million times, so I doubt anything is going to change there. What I'd like to ask for is a more effective Stone, Sky, Sea. When the dummy has no mechanics, there's zero chance it could ever be an accurate measure of your output under pressure. The Dummy ought to be able to utilize at least some of the boss's AOEs to better simulate the real fight.

[Nyvara]

Let me set this right here: Yoshi-P's Official Statement - In-Game Parser https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ingame_parser/

[Soraki-Muppe]

If SE does not want players to see other players dps numbers there is a solution that would let us have an ingame parser.
The parser only show the player their own numbers, that is the basis here.
The other part could be the parser show if you are above or below what is required by your class and by how much, this would be the minimum based on numbers from SE and not some arbitrary number made by players, pretty much answering if you do your part in avoiding an enrage or not.
Since it would not parse the other players it would be harder to use it as ammunition for insulting players with a dps that is not good enough in the users eyes, it would only show if you yourself is were you need to be. This should be enough if the purpose is to improve yourself and nothing else.

[Sylvina]

In order for it NOT to be toxic it would have to display only the users dps and no one elses.

[Dualgunner]

"Fun" and "parsing" are not mutually exclusive, Nyvara.

[MageBlack]

Good thing FFXIV has no parsers, Could you imagine what it would be like if people actually used a parser for this game? Oh... wait... You mean people already use parsers who want to use parsers? What is it this thread was about again? Right, PS4 limitations...

[KaivaC]

Good thing FFXIV has no parsers, Could you imagine what it would be like if people actually used a parser for this game? Oh... wait... You mean people already use parsers who want to use parsers? What is it this thread was about again? Right, PS4 limitations...

The limitations, though, are due to requiring add-ons that are approved by Sony and Square, isn't it? So I doubt it so much as limitations of the console itself, but rather either one of both companies not willing to figure something out.

[NessaWyvern]

I honestly don't see why an official self-only parser would be a problem, you couldn't really use it against others, and you'd know what your numbers are, so you could improve

[reiichi]

I honestly don't see why an official self-only parser would be a problem, you couldn't really use it against others, and you'd know what your numbers are, so you could improve

My guess is there will be "must have in-game parse of XXX or high. Show screenshot of proof or kick" which...sure, comes down to gameplay preferences, but people are technically already doing that with their not-technically-allowed parsing methods. To reiterate a previous post, were we to get one in game, I would hope that it would be something akin to the Duty Recorder where all members have to opt in, so there's a clear concent among people who want to be parsed (like those who want to improve/handle difficult raid tiers) and those who are fine as long as things get done without issues (like your duty roulettes and other casual dungeons).

[van_arn]

My guess is there will be "must have in-game parse of XXX or high. Show screenshot of proof or kick" which...sure, comes down to gameplay preferences, but people are technically already doing that with their not-technically-allowed parsing methods. To reiterate a previous post, were we to get one in game, I would hope that it would be something akin to the Duty Recorder where all members have to opt in, so there's a clear concent among people who want to be parsed (like those who want to improve/handle difficult raid tiers) and those who are fine as long as things get done without issues (like your duty roulettes and other casual dungeons).

Frankly, this is preferable to the autoattacking dragoon that expects df to carry them through the game first try otherwise everyone's an elitist.

Or the blm that can't 50% menagerie SSS expecting a carry through pf savage.

I have witnessed both.