Thank you for increased difficulty

[van_arn]

No, No matter how good or bad this playerbase is, the issues with savage in itself will always make it a minority activity. If you make a roadblock, it doesn't change the fact that savage has innate flaws that make it unappealing to a lot of people. If you try and make casual endgame into a mini-savage, you will just succeed in pushing that mode's problems down, not lifting people up. The issue of savage needs a different solution than making everything harder to try and make people git gud and want to do it. That's my point.
It doesn;t mean nerfing it either, but they need to think about how to encourage people to do the mode given the structure it as and the informal structure that has arisen over it.

I'm not referring to savage. I'm referring to the mist dragon, and how it does a magnificent job of showing who is being inconsiderate by not doing their share.
There is no new player excuse. You pull your own weight, or you really do need to hit a roadblock at this boss.

[TwistedTea]

I agree with mostly everything you've said except Expert roulette being considered as optional content, mostly because there's no other way for casuals to grind and get their weekly tomestones if they want to upgrade their gear without going through Savage means.

MSQ gives 50 tomestones of gensis
Alliance Raid gives 50
Frontline gives 20
Beast tribe gives 15
Normal raid gives 15
Trial gives 10
Leveling gives 5

All of this without even stepping, into Expert,Mentor or Level 70 roulettes.

[Miziliti]

MSQ gives 50 tomestones of gensis
Alliance Raid gives 50
Frontline gives 20
Beast tribe gives 15
Trial gives 10
Normal raid gives 10
Leveling gives 5

All of this without even stepping, into Expert,Mentor or Level 70 roulettes.

5: laughs
10: pass
15: pass
20: pvp pass

The only thing that is worth my time is Expert and Alliance Raid. Please be real. Who'd do the others? Even normal dungeon run is 10 times more efficient.

[Sigma-Astra]

MSQ gives 50 tomestones of gensis
Alliance Raid gives 50
Frontline gives 20
Beast tribe gives 15
Trial gives 10
Normal raid gives 10
Leveling gives 5

All of this without even stepping, into Expert,Mentor or Level 70 roulettes.

- Hardly anyone wants to run MSQ roulette
- A good majority of people use Alliance Raid to level their characters if they don't have all 70's
- Frontline PvP queues are horrible
- Not everyone gives a hoot about beast tribes (beast tribes would be considered optional)
- You only do Trial if you're just barely ready to cap your tome otherwise it's absolute torture to repeat the same fight over and over again when people wipe.
- Well, considering that Normal Raid also includes Alphascape since that's what I got last night and had people wipe three times to Chaos? Eh, 10 tomes is not worth the frustration sometimes.
- Leveling is barely worth writing home about.

There are other options, but these are so tedious to run on a daily basis when one Expert per day is enough to cap your 450 limit before the week ends and it usually takes less than 20 minutes a run.

Expert is the path of least resistance.

[TwistedTea]

5: laughs
10: pass
15: pass
20: pvp pass

The only thing that is worth my time is Expert and Alliance Raid. Please be real. Who'd do the others? Even normal dungeon run is 10 times more efficient.

Expert is the path of least resistance.

Sig brought up the point that there are players in Expert, who clearly don't have the skills/knowledge to be there.

The options that I've stated are for those players so that they are not left out when it comes to tomestones. Of course, they are not time efficient but in that case, such players should improve themselves to the point where they are ready for "Expert" and beyond.

As I've stated previously, the difficultly of Expert should be raised to make it a real "Expert" experience. Have something like an advanced Hall of the Novice, which you have to clear solo and is difficult enough. So that the people who are permitted to enter "Expert" are of a certain standard.


Recap:

Increase the barriers to Expert/Extreme Primals/Savage.

Increase the difficulty of Expert/Extreme Primals/Savage to satisfy those who want greater challenge.

Do not unnecessarily increase the difficulty of MSQ content as this turns off people who are just in it for the story/glam/crafting/gathering/socializing/etc.Unless the unlikely day, when SE decides to stop gating the majority of the content behind MSQ occurs...

If people are not performing in basic/MSQ content, after having the mechanics explained to them repeatedly, politely kick them.

[MOZZYSTAR]

I mentioned in another thread that I'm a casual, albeit not lazy player and I have to say: I really found the mechs/hardness in this patch really fun and creative. So, as a casual player, I have to give thanks, too. I really enjoyed this patch and was so disappointed when I finished it in like... 2-3 hours (minus the sigma raids).

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You know if they got rid of some of the excessive button bloat it would be actually a good idea to make harder content. as is, no human being has the concentration required to do things perfectly under these conditions. if you're a machine good for you.

That is absolute nonsense. It doesn't take a machine to play any of the jobs in the game to even a decent level. Some are certainly easier to grasp than others but claiming no human being can handle that much concentration is ludicrous. You may not be able to, however you aren't everyone else. Frankly, if they just trimmed even more skills in 5.0 without adding new ones, I'd be pretty damn bored.

[Dualgunner]

You know if they got rid of some of the excessive button bloat it would be actually a good idea to make harder content. as is, no human being has the concentration required to do things perfectly under these conditions. if you're a machine good for you.

Am I a machine? This is news to me, last I checked I'm a flesh and blood human.

[Vaer]

You know if they got rid of some of the excessive button bloat it would be actually a good idea to make harder content. as is, no human being has the concentration required to do things perfectly under these conditions. if you're a machine good for you.

I doubt it's the amount of buttons, it's more like people don't have awareness. The hardest mechanics in casual content are the dive bombs or things with no telegraphs because people don't look around or watch the boss' cast bar to react, they just tunnel and then wonder why they died and plz nerf. (Mist Dragon/Hashmal/Construct 7 Dive+Disposal) Same reason in Suz EX. The rune pattern is on the outside just like divebombs. That's just my experience anyway.

I tried Mist Dragon again yesterday, and all I did was look around the outside and found both telegraphs and dodged them fine with the amount of time given. You can't even hit Mist Dragon/Hashmal/Construct 7 during dives so you can't even use that excuse for Mist #2 where people wipe.

[Sigma-Astra]

You know if they got rid of some of the excessive button bloat it would be actually a good idea to make harder content. as is, no human being has the concentration required to do things perfectly under these conditions. if you're a machine good for you.

Some would argue that pressing the same button over and over again to get towards the same end results that three buttons might make you do would make you a machine also regardless.