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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    Eh, the issue was it was unexpected at that time, because few fights broke the aggro table with mobs and it wound up being a psuedo dps check since healers couldn't keep the tank up indefinitely. DPS actually could focus the archers to make it easier, which wasn't really that common. They also never really used caster or bard lb on trash then. Worse came to worse, it was purely optional difficulty, and you never vote abandoned it because of that one stretch.

    But i still think if we were all here and it was new, we'd have the same issue of it being considered faceroll. Tsuku hard is, and that one all it takes is one healer screwing up on ahk morn to cause a wipe. Zurvan ex, the common meme was all you needed to do was do a decent opener to skip soar. The only way it will not be is if people start wiping and getting vote abandons on a large scale, to a point where you no longer can just blame the bads.
    Let's examine why it was unexpected? Could it be crowd control and priority mobs are so infrequent, people have little experience with it? That pull actually asked for some skill, which can be a shock when everything else is piss easy. Granted, it isn't necessary a good example given you're still having to pull fifteen things to actually take a ton of damage and not have the WHM spamming Holy more than any healing ability.

    Why can't you "blame the bads"? You have no business joining an EX party if you cannot perform a basic opener. Frankly, I find it highly disrespectful since you're coming into harder content woefully unprepared and essentially telling me "deal with it and carry me!" The meme arose because Zurvan EX asked very little from you and yet people couldn't do even that. Admittedly, I think Zurvan is a horribly designed fight. Soar shouldn't be skippable, period. At least not the first one. If you do skip, he literally does nothing for half his HP. Zurvan's a meme for a lot of reasons, Soar is only one of them.

    Regardless, Zurvan was faceroll. Switching him and Byakko EX around doesn't change the fact both are easy if you pay attention and communicate a little.

    As for Tsukiyomi. I've almost solo healed the final phase. Mostly sheer dumb luck, but it's entirely do-able. So no, one healing making a mistake doesn't necessarily cause a wipe. And even if people die, she has a near thirteen minute enrage. You have more than enough time to pick people up.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    People can improve to a point, then it gets incredibly hard to go further. And the threshold varies from person to person. At some point you just hit your wall, and its up to you if you want to invest so much in climbing it. And then there comes the cliff, where no effort will ever help. I don't think people here have discussed what they think everyone playing the game can reach, or how realistic is its. I mean, there's never going to be a time in this game where 50% of players complete ex trials when relevant, short of the game shrinking to the hardcore players.
    This is a defeatist attitude. Are some people better than others? Absolutely. That doesn't mean they are incapable of improving, especially when the demand isn't significant. We aren't talking about going into Ultimate, but being able to handle simple mechanics while maintaining respectable DPS. Unfortunately, far too many people either give up too easily or echo a similar sentiment you do; that they physically can't improve. Why? Because it's far easier to shift blame to some nebulous belief than actually admit the fault may simply lie with you. Like Dualgunner, I once saw Sophia as fairly hard due to my inexperience. Some two years later and I've progged half way through UcoB and just about done UwU. I've even tanked the former despite having only played melee DPS until late last year. At least in harder content. If I held the belief you seem to, I'd never come this far.

    Do I expect everyone to have that same drive I do? No. But I'm not demanding Ultimate skill levels for dungeons. I'm wanting content where I don't spend 99% of my time DPSing on White Mage because I could literally AFKing otherwise, the healing requirements are that low.
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    Last edited by Bourne_Endeavor; 09-23-2018 at 12:08 PM.