Thank you for increased difficulty

[MomomiMomi]

Well obviously, there IS a "Too Easy", but then you talk about Thordan Normal... but yet you don't mention Cape Westwind?

Cape Westwind wasn't a final boss fight against someone with god-like powers. Thordan was, and yet there's absolutely no challenge in that fight. The Ascian he wipes out in a single swipe was harder than him.

The point is, the next "Thordan" should have difficulty, just as Shinryu did. The story parts leading up to that epic battle should be preparing the player for that upcoming dificulty.

[Maeka]

Cape Westwind wasn't a final boss fight against someone with god-like powers. Thordan was, and yet there's absolutely no challenge in that fight. The Ascian he wipes out in a single swipe was harder than him.

The point is, the next "Thordan" should have difficulty, just as Shinryu did. The story parts leading up to that epic battle should be preparing the player for that upcoming dificulty.

But yet some random dragon that comes out of the mists in the middle of nowhere should be harder than most Primals? I would say the Mist Dragon was far harder than, say, Bismarck or even Susano. Or if you want to keep on track of comparing 4 man dungeons, how about Mist Dragon vs freaking Zenos? Zenos isn't anywhere near as hard mechanically, and is far more forgiving of mistakes. And he was supposed to be a major villain!

[MomomiMomi]

But yet some random dragon that comes out of the mists in the middle of nowhere should be harder than most Primals? I would say the Mist Dragon was far harder than, say, Bismarck or even Susano. Or if you want to keep on track of comparing 4 man dungeons, how about Mist Dragon vs freaking Zenos? Zenos isn't anywhere near as hard mechanically, and is far more forgiving of mistakes. And he was supposed to be a major villain!

I actually agree Mist Dragon is slightly too hard. I even said so in the thread about the new dungeons. What I don't agree with is that we shouldn't have difficulty in the MSQ.

[Maeka]

I actually agree Mist Dragon is slightly too hard. I even said so in the thread about the new dungeons. What I don't agree with is that we shouldn't have difficulty in the MSQ.

Then we're in pretty much full agreement.

Some difficulty is okay. I felt that Baelsar's Wall (even at release, before people got geared/sync'd) was a nice happy medium. Mr. Sloppy would wreck your face if you stood in the bad and didn't handle the chains. But yet, if you had a little bit of lag on the healer's part, it wasn't an insta-wipe either.

[RiyahArp]

Some difficulty is okay. I felt that Baelsar's Wall (even at release, before people got geared/sync'd) was a nice happy medium.

We had that difficulty. people called it faceroll and said it wasn't enough to make people git gud. Now they made it harder, and the same people here in a few months will say the same things again, and ask for harder content. Zero point in arguing any more, let them endure the wipes.

[Maeka]

@van_arn: Again, the problem with the Mist Dragon is not "handling the mechanics".

I know the mechanics just fine.

It's the short time-frames they give you, the insanely short time frames. One spot of lag and he decided to swoop right at me and I'm the healer? We're done. No second chances, no vulnerability, nothing. BOOM, you're dead. Start over from second one and pray you can do the whole thing, start-to-finish, with neither the tank nor the healer having any lag.

Just.......wtf? How is that fair?

I mean, heck, in Raids, you at least have two healers and a lot of times, you CAN recover if one healer lags for a second. Well maybe not Savage, but still.