Thank you for increased difficulty

[van_arn]

If you make the content harder, there's no guarantee it will lead to more people going into raiding. Most MMOs have the same problem, where the game proper actually starts at endgame and you need to learn or relearn your class. Usually part of endgame guilds job is to teach them that. I don't think any MMO has this perfect difficulty curve to lead people into raids from the leveling experience.

The problem is savage raids themselves have a lot of issues that make them unappealing, list follows.

This is content four patches into level 70. There is no "new player" excuse, there is no "learning" excuse. If people can't handle this boss, then they haven't been paying attention. This is not savage.

If people haven't been paying attention this long, then they're inconsiderate to the people they're grouping with. They shouldn't be encouraged to continue with any group activity, even story modes, with such a selfish mindset.

In fact, it's healthier for the community as a whole if they meet a roadblock until they learn to try to carry their own weight and play their class to what the mechanics of this fight expect.

And yes, that means it's healthier for the community as a whole if the (inconsiderate) dragoon that phones it in with autoattack quits.

[RiyahArp]

This is content four patches into level 70.

No, No matter how good or bad this playerbase is, the issues with savage in itself will always make it a minority activity. If you make a roadblock, it doesn't change the fact that savage has innate flaws that make it unappealing to a lot of people. If you try and make casual endgame into a mini-savage, you will just succeed in pushing that mode's problems down, not lifting people up. The issue of savage needs a different solution than making everything harder to try and make people git gud and want to do it. That's my point.
It doesn;t mean nerfing it either, but they need to think about how to encourage people to do the mode given the structure it as and the informal structure that has arisen over it.

[van_arn]

No, No matter how good or bad this playerbase is, the issues with savage in itself will always make it a minority activity. If you make a roadblock, it doesn't change the fact that savage has innate flaws that make it unappealing to a lot of people. If you try and make casual endgame into a mini-savage, you will just succeed in pushing that mode's problems down, not lifting people up. The issue of savage needs a different solution than making everything harder to try and make people git gud and want to do it. That's my point.
It doesn;t mean nerfing it either, but they need to think about how to encourage people to do the mode given the structure it as and the informal structure that has arisen over it.

I'm not referring to savage. I'm referring to the mist dragon, and how it does a magnificent job of showing who is being inconsiderate by not doing their share.
There is no new player excuse. You pull your own weight, or you really do need to hit a roadblock at this boss.

[Sylvina]

You talking about suzaku ex? thats not difficulty its glitchy timing on the explosions which makes the fight frustrating and very poor. if it had the same mechanics but people werent getting hit while way off the exploding platform i'd welcome it.

[Thoosa]

In this patch it feels like they are punishing healers.

I’ve tried Alphascape 1 Savage and it just seems horrible to heal, not only is there massive incoming damage to handle, there’s quite a bit of mechanics as a healer to do (like trying to top up the tanks and myself in Earth phase, plus paying attention to long/lat, plus remembering swiftcast for being pushed back, etc).

Even the normal raids aren’t easy to heal, for example alphascape 2 normal wasn’t a fun experience as a healer, but for some reason I felt like 4 and 3 were easier.

Whereas if I tank or dps everything seems much less stressful.

[Sylvina]

You know if they got rid of some of the excessive button bloat it would be actually a good idea to make harder content. as is, no human being has the concentration required to do things perfectly under these conditions. if you're a machine good for you.

[Dualgunner]

You know if they got rid of some of the excessive button bloat it would be actually a good idea to make harder content. as is, no human being has the concentration required to do things perfectly under these conditions. if you're a machine good for you.

Am I a machine? This is news to me, last I checked I'm a flesh and blood human.

[Vaer]

You know if they got rid of some of the excessive button bloat it would be actually a good idea to make harder content. as is, no human being has the concentration required to do things perfectly under these conditions. if you're a machine good for you.

I doubt it's the amount of buttons, it's more like people don't have awareness. The hardest mechanics in casual content are the dive bombs or things with no telegraphs because people don't look around or watch the boss' cast bar to react, they just tunnel and then wonder why they died and plz nerf. (Mist Dragon/Hashmal/Construct 7 Dive+Disposal) Same reason in Suz EX. The rune pattern is on the outside just like divebombs. That's just my experience anyway.

I tried Mist Dragon again yesterday, and all I did was look around the outside and found both telegraphs and dodged them fine with the amount of time given. You can't even hit Mist Dragon/Hashmal/Construct 7 during dives so you can't even use that excuse for Mist #2 where people wipe.

[Sigma-Astra]

You know if they got rid of some of the excessive button bloat it would be actually a good idea to make harder content. as is, no human being has the concentration required to do things perfectly under these conditions. if you're a machine good for you.

Some would argue that pressing the same button over and over again to get towards the same end results that three buttons might make you do would make you a machine also regardless.

[TwistedTea]

I agree with mostly everything you've said except Expert roulette being considered as optional content, mostly because there's no other way for casuals to grind and get their weekly tomestones if they want to upgrade their gear without going through Savage means.

MSQ gives 50 tomestones of gensis
Alliance Raid gives 50
Frontline gives 20
Beast tribe gives 15
Normal raid gives 15
Trial gives 10
Leveling gives 5

All of this without even stepping, into Expert,Mentor or Level 70 roulettes.