How do you feel about Role Actions?

[Raldo]

I'm pretty sure giving us access to all of them is just their temporary way of "fixing" it before they get rid of the whole thing entirely, in favor for something else. I expect to see the whole thing revamped when the next expansion comes, similar to the way they changed many jobs when Stormblood hit.

[Ryoko_D]

I think these changes are crap. I also think saying "Giving everyone everything" is an illusionary statement ment to destract from the fact that skills and abilities we could have used in the passed, that are taken away form us now, had to be:

"EARNED BY LEVELING THE CLASS IT CAME FROM!"
AS IN YOU WHERE NOT GIVEN EVERYTHING! YOU HAD TO LEVEL YOUR CHARACTER TO UNLOCK IT TO BE ABLE TO USE IT!

Now, all that work has become nearly meaningless, unless you are achievement hunting.

Achievement hunting is not enough of a reason for me to level every class and job. The past cross class skill ability allowed us to choose what ever extra skill we wanted, since there was a wider range of classes it was allowed to function on. This new system completely wreaks that flexibility as well as denigrates a since of reward for leveling alternative classes/job.

This new system reduces leveling up other classes/jobs to nothing more then an achievement hunting venture, that has no substance or actual usefulness. All you get now is nothing more then "BRAGGING RIGHTS." you don't get any actual extra skill or ability from it, like you used too.

I liked being able too add buffs/heals/taunts/debuffs to classes/jobs/roles that didn't have them. An archer or summoner DPs that could throw down an occasional heal or even stat debuff that didn't exist in there class, a healer that can stun or sleep an enemy before that enemy throws down a party/raid wiping attack that no one else managed to stop. I remember managing to save a couple of groups from being completely destroyed at the end of a dungeon a couple of times because of having a cross over skill from a class that doesn't normally use such abilities. Or even to be able to use a self heal or heal/attack like Second Wind and/or Drain, to heal myself when a healer is so focused on healing the tank that they would run out of mana to do anything else. there where moments where healers didn't have protect as a skill and it had not become a community wide expectation of healers to have, yet on my DPSers I would occasionally have it, normally for my own conveyance, but enjoyed buffing the entire group as well, before returning to DPS. Then healers started to catch on about its usefulness and healers buffing the groups with protect started becoming more common and more common. At some people it some how turned into an expectation. that asi9de, I liked the flexibility to use that and other skills even just for myself. It was nice to throw out an emergency heal every now and then to stop a party from wiping, or to stun, sleep, taunt a boss to prevent it from using a skill or killing someone, using a skill not normally expected from the class/role expected, able to use a summoner to tuant and kite a boss around the room, while healing myself and the almost dead healer, after the tank died and the healer was almost next and eventually finishing the dungeon off more then once. an emergency save that is no longer possible in this new system.

This new system completely destroys that!

[Kabooa]

I think these changes are crap. I also think saying "Giving everyone everything" is an illusionary statement ment to destract from the fact that skills and abilities we could have used in the passed, that are taken away form us now, had to be:

"EARNED BY LEVELING THE CLASS IT CAME FROM!"
AS IN YOU WHERE NOT GIVEN EVERYTHING! YOU HAD TO LEVEL YOUR CHARACTER TO UNLOCK IT TO BE ABLE TO USE IT!

This new system reduces leveling up other classes/jobs to nothing more then an achievement hunting venture, that has no substance or actual usefulness. All you get now is nothing more then "BRAGGING RIGHTS." you don't get any actual extra skill or ability from it, like you used too.

There is nothing worse than being forced to level a class you didn't want to because it had an ability that was mandatory.

I hated Archer. I hated Arcanist. But as a Black Mage, I had to level them, one for the job, both for skills that came in around level 34.

You shouldn't need a reason to level another job other than "I want to try this job"

[Ryoko_D]

Why do you feel that you needed the skill it had? Is that a requirement for the role in the first place? Or is it one of those things like protect, it wasn't actually require, someone started using it cause it could help, then everyone started realizing its potential, in an environment where they all previous thought it was useless, then one person uses it, likes it, shows everyone its usefulness, then everyone likes it and somehow that ends up becoming a requirement that was't originally designed into the class or gameplay! and now you complain about a large number of people turning a perk into a requirement and wanna nerf something someone worked hard at and take away a reward that was fairly earned? And now you have turned your problem into my problem!

If that is how it is going to be, I want a refund!
I shouldn't get nerfed and any work I did nullified, for your social perception problems and/or laziness!
Wasn't the game originally designed around a single class being leveled up and to be a challenge for that? wasn't the inclusion of cross class abilities meant to only be a perk that could make your game play experience have an interesting additional flare? so isn't the perception of treating cross class skills as a requirement an error in judgement, since the game, by the design, was not meant to treat secondary cross class abilities as mandatory, only supplemental and optional? So where do you get off thinking you HAD to level another class and thinking that because you hated having to do something you didn't have to do, that you have any right to complain about something and get it nerfed all too H***, because you didn't like the extra effort, for a conveyance that wasn't designed to be mandatory in the game and was only something that was socially enforced?

This is why we can't have nice things!

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Why do you feel that you needed the skill it had? Is that a requirement for the role in the first place? Or is it one of those things like protect, it wasn't actually require, someone started using it cause it could help, then everyone started realizing its potential, in an environment where they all previous thought it was useless, then one person uses it, likes it, shows everyone its usefulness, then everyone likes it and somehow that ends up becoming a requirement that was't originally designed into the class or gameplay! and now you complain about a large number of people turning a perk into a requirement and wanna nerf something someone worked hard at and take away a reward that was fairly earned? And now you have turned your problem into my problem!

If that is how it is going to be, I want a refund!
I shouldn't get nerfed and any work I did nullified, for your social perception problems and/or laziness!

Provoke is a mandatory skill which was locked behind leveling Gladiator to, I believe, level 22. If you did not have it, you couldn't prefer tank swaps, which usually meant someone died. Likewise, skills such as Swiftcast, Blood for Blood and Quelling Strikes were essentially required due to their sheer usefulness to the raid. Not taking them simply meant you were inferior to someone who did out of pure laziness. Regardless, you weren't nerfed. Literally nothing was changed regarding the jobs themselves. You just were no longer required to play a job you may not like to access skills you were expected to have.

[Ryoko_D]

Provoke is a mandatory skill which was locked behind leveling Gladiator to, I believe, level 22. If you did not have it, you couldn't prefer tank swaps, which usually meant someone died. Likewise, skills such as Swiftcast, Blood for Blood and Quelling Strikes were essentially required due to their sheer usefulness to the raid. Not taking them simply meant you were inferior to someone who did out of pure laziness. Regardless, you weren't nerfed. Literally nothing was changed regarding the jobs themselves. You just were no longer required to play a job you may not like to access skills you were expected to have.

Yes, it is a Nerf, because I cannot access those skills any more unless I choose one of the few jobs inside a role. Being able to use a heal and protection buff, nor even a taunt on my archer and summoner is no longer possible. Being able to use a poison DoT or lightning Dot nor sleep, stun or bind is possible on my healer or tank. I can no longer use second wind on my summoner class.

This is most certainly a nerf. Your complaint about not being able to do something you claimed to need to do, required taking something away from me that I earned threw hard work.

Like H*** it isn't a nerf!

[Dualgunner]

Yes, it is a Nerf, because I cannot access those skills any more unless I choose one of the few jobs inside a role. Being able to use a heal and protection buff, nor even a taunt on my archer and summoner is no longer possible. Being able to use a poison DoT or lightning Dot nor sleep, stun or bind is possible on my healer or tank. I can no longer use second wind on my summoner class.

This is most certainly a nerf. Your complaint about not being able to do something you claimed to need to do, required taking something away from me that I earned threw hard work.

Like H*** it isn't a nerf!

It wasn't a nerf. You were intentionally playing wrong if you were playing as an arcanist to use second wind or provoke, and Paladin has access to Clemency, which is a much better spell than Cure which was weighted off of the MND stat PLD didn't use.

Any jobs that used damage boosting cross-classes were re-balanced with the lack of those in mind, such as all the physical jobs losing Blood for Blood or anything that borrowed DoTs from other jobs.

[KDSilver]

Yes, it is a Nerf, because I cannot access those skills any more unless I choose one of the few jobs inside a role. Being able to use a heal and protection buff, nor even a taunt on my archer and summoner is no longer possible. Being able to use a poison DoT or lightning Dot nor sleep, stun or bind is possible on my healer or tank. I can no longer use second wind on my summoner class.

This is most certainly a nerf. Your complaint about not being able to do something you claimed to need to do, required taking something away from me that I earned threw hard work.

Like H*** it isn't a nerf!

At this point, I call that either troll or totally clueless about the game.

[Shurrikhan]

Provoke is a mandatory skill which was locked behind leveling Gladiator to, I believe, level 22. If you did not have it, you couldn't prefer tank swaps, which usually meant someone died.

I mean, I'd done a quite few Extreme primals just fine with Warriors who had no Provoke. In ARR, tank swaps were certainly possible between similarly geared tanks even without Provoke as long as one of them was a Warrior to use fewer enmity combo attacks. In HW, it was even easier; though even then plenty of DRKs and WARs did not have Provoke, I was still able to go through Extreme primals without much trouble. It's quite not a make-or-break ability for tank functionality, especially if you're willing to give job-specific control tools or mechanics to replace it. Or, heck, you could just make it so that walking in front of someone being targeted for something means you take the hit with or in place of them for the majority of attacks, rather than the rare few.

Not saying that we shouldn't get a Provoke-like ability, even as nonsensical as it is, just that needn't come in an exact form, let alone under the same name and/or exact effect for every tank.