Escalating skill requirements & FFXIV future

[silverlunarfox]

I took on this fight yesterday with a friend telling me it was difficult on war....So I was up for the challenge....

This may be one of the easier fights for a msq... Ignore the adds on all but one phase and just beat said persons face in. I had more difficulty in the one msq with the orbs than this one.....

[Ameela]

I took on this fight yesterday with a friend telling me it was difficult on war....So I was up for the challenge....

This may be one of the easier fights for a msq... Ignore the adds on all but one phase and just beat said persons face in. I had more difficulty in the one msq with the orbs than this one.....

What I really wonder is how some people even manage to beat some of the job quest instanced battles.
I remember the level 30 THM one giving me so much trouble, I had to spam potions and Blizzard 2 to win it. BLM level 60 one (for SB) was the same... maybe I'm just trash at BLM...

[silverlunarfox]

What I really wonder is how some people even manage to beat some of the job quest instanced battles.
I remember the level 30 THM one giving me so much trouble, I had to spam potions and Blizzard 2 to win it. BLM level 60 one (for SB) was the same... maybe I'm just trash at BLM...

Oh god......that BLM one was AWFUL. I remember that one. Waaaaaay back when I had issues with the level 50 whm one too. There are instances far harder than this one.

And I don't think your trash as BLM but that one really pushed you to use everything you had, at 30 and 60. Even the 70 job quests were more difficult for most of the jobs than the msq because they normally force you to use your entire kit.

[IsuzuSento]

I remember having some major issues with the SCH 50 and 60 job quests. I was a SMN main so I didn't play SCH much. Add to that you're trying to keep track of people's health when you don't have party frames for them. At least focus target can give you one.

They really need to put NPCs in your party when it's an instance when you're healing.

[TwistedTea]

Even as a casual player, I'm on the "make casual content harder to raise the general skill level" side of the fence.

However, looking at some of the responses here,I think, some of the more skilled players need to consider the following:

1. If OP has been playing MMOs since the 2000s, their memorization ability, pattern recognition and reflexes, might have deteriorated significantly.

There are people who play this game because even without the combat content, it's an amazing world with lots of awesome non-combat content. Simply making the game harder, to raise the general skill level, does seem like a way to lose subs for people like that.

Of course, OP could try getting friends,FC,etc to help them out on content which they find challenging.

2. Devs need to reconsider one-shot mechanics, which are dependent on latency. As other comments have pointed out, I've lost count of the number of times, when it seems I've clearly dodged something, only to go "Oh, I'm dead...". Having to factor in lag while doing increasingly complex/multiple mechanics (from the casual perspective) does seem 'unfair'.

3. Your hardware matters. I don't do any of the level 70 dungeons anymore especially those with heavy lighting/water effects. Even with my graphics settings turned way down, I get unplayable fps. This is on the player to upgrade their hardware.

[Dzian]

What I really wonder is how some people even manage to beat some of the job quest instanced battles.
I remember the level 30 THM one giving me so much trouble, I had to spam potions and Blizzard 2 to win it. BLM level 60 one (for SB) was the same... maybe I'm just trash at BLM...

I think some of those are tricky because they're not always clear in what your meant to do..

Even more so for tank and healer roles where your role on the quests is basically dps some trash.... Or the dps ones where it's just kill some circle to stop it summoning adds. But oh it's way over there in the distance and easily missed in a little speach bubble from an npc.

A lot of the class quests seem to have you away from the action so to speak doing some little task or other.

Other note the op has apparently played loads of mmos. So why is this one the most braindead easy mmo there is. Too difficult? A lot of battles in this game I swear you'd have to try harder to screw up to the point of failure than to succeed

[Mixt]

When i did this instance it was late at night, i was half asleep at the keyboard and borderline delirious from being so tired.

Still beat it on the first try.

If i can pull it off in one attempt while in that sorry of a state then what does that tell you about it's supposed "Difficulty"?

[Devils_Lawyer]

Im ok with MSQ content not beeing insanely difficult but come on, your practicly 1 nerf away from watching a movie instead of playing a game.

[ko_]

I'm going to provide an odd opinion, and this is I don't think FFXIV is as braindead as people think it is. - this fight isn't too hard but hear me out-. Comparing this game to Tera, and a few other mmos I played, black d. , BnS, Star wars, Onigiri, neverwinter, and the one on PS4 with the gods. The name escapes me. FFXIV asks you to do ALOT compared to those. They all treat diffcultly differently but what I noticed is XIV in my opinion has the harder rotations to learn, most of the other mmos I played has very simple rotations. Maybe cause most of them are on the action combat side of things but still, their rotations are nothing compared to the rotations you are asked to learn and do to perfertion. Slayer in Tera is nowhere near as hard as monk if you're both starting out. Then the mechs and all that. To all of us who's been playing video games for a bit of time you learn this stuff and you forget how much information is on the screen cause you just - GET IT- right?

But when I see people fail the simple things or ask silly - to me - questions I wonder how easy can this be? You can't give this game to someone who's never played anything and expect them to do blue colors on a dummy. You CAN give someone who's never played anything mario tho. My point being is while this fight isn't hard, I think we tend to forget as players how hard games are to understand, and XIV I think is VERY complex with it's battle system. We tend to forget that cause we've been playing video games for years most likely. Then ofcourse you just have lazy people who just suck. so there's that too.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

What I really wonder is how some people even manage to beat some of the job quest instanced battles.
I remember the level 30 THM one giving me so much trouble, I had to spam potions and Blizzard 2 to win it. BLM level 60 one (for SB) was the same... maybe I'm just trash at BLM...

I actually did the level 70 bard class Quest while in full augmented Shire gear...

It was quite a feat to get done, but I managed it.