Thread: [4.4 Discussion] "Change the Future"

We've already seen what happens when someone misinterprets the visions that they receive. That was effectively Ysayle's whole story. So if it can happen with Hydaelyn's servants then it's plausible that it can happen with Zodiark's servants as well. With that said, I doubt things will be so simple. I suspect that the Ascians and Scions are both to blame for things getting out of hand - each has been far too reckless in regards to using their powers to push things in a direction that benefits their respective causes.

I don't think its Alphinaud, seeing as how this it is believed to be an immensely powerful being, Alphinaud may be a skilled veteran scholar in the future, but capable of soul stealing and time manipulation? I don't see it. Nabriales called upon Zodiark to affect time, and (iirc) there are crystals capable of retaining a soul.(dark crystals iirc)

Originally Posted by Kallera

I don't think its Alphinaud, seeing as how this it is believed to be an immensely powerful being, Alphinaud may be a skilled veteran scholar in the future, but capable of soul stealing and time manipulation? I don't see it. Nabriales called upon Zodiark to affect time, and (iirc) there are crystals capable of retaining a soul.(dark crystals iirc)

It could be Zodiark using Alphinaud as his voice like what Hydaelyn is using Minfilia for.

Personally, I don't think that it was Zodiark. Why would he feel the need to talk with anyone other than the WoL? Or with the Echo, even? No, whoever it was, it targeted the Scions specifically (which also rules out that Zodiark can't control how he talks to us, because in that case someone out of the Scions would've heard him too).

My first thought was that maybe it was Minfilia, that she saw or knew something and decided to contact her old friends to avoid it. The fact that Thancred was the first to "leave" reinforced my theory, as I thought that being more sensitive to such aether stuff due to the ascian possession maybe he noticed that it was her and he wanted to stay wherever she summoned us. Of course, the voice was a male, but wouldn't it be too obvoius then if we had heard a clear female voice, or directly Minfilia's?

However, I think that Fleurette's theory has more sense in that regard, and covers what I mentioned on the first paragraph. But I don't think that Alphy will get possesed or anything. Remember who he's descending from: Louisoix, who coincidentally was able to send us to the future after Bahamut came out of Dalamud. I'm quite sure that good old Alphy would be able to at least contact us in the past somehow, to prevent whatever is about to happen if we keep doing what we are doing.

Now, about that, I think that the solution will be that the WoL will also become the WoD at once. Neither light or darkness are bad per se, so if there would be a way to make them find a balance wihout having to go the Calamity route, I think that our favourite herowould be the one to start it. We don't know how far in the future would we face the bad consequences of our current actions, so maybe a "small" change like the WoL representing both light and darkness too would change everything over time. That way we can get rid of the ascians, while preventing a flood of light.

The Warrior of Light becoming the Warrior of Balance would certainly be an interesting twist. Since Hydaelyn and Zodiark are essentially the same being in regards to their point of origin and the Ascians also make use of the Echo I've long suspected that the Warrior of Light gained his power from something more than just 'Light'.

I would like to point out that the Warriors of Light throughout the ages have never managed to stop a Calamity from happening. Help save people from it? Yes. Prevent it? No.

What the voice is asking us to do has never been successfully done before.

It should be noted that the previous Warriors of Light had stronger Crystals of Light then we do and most likely had a much stronger Hydaelyn helping them. In terms of the amount of power Hydaelyn can lend the Warriors of Light, we more then likely much less help then "usual". So not only must we do something no one before us has done, we have to do it with less gifted power then they had access to.

Originally Posted by Kallera

Um...It's possible!

So about the Flood of Light...I have a theory.

What if its from the alliance using the House of the Crooked Coin?

The House of the Crooked Coin already has a belief among the Dotharl that if you die there, you do not reincarnate. A flood of light is described as Fate where the soul experiences neither life nor death. And the alliance is planning to make The House a battery for its air defense shield, one similar to Azis Lla.

Now, the Garleans, are currently one order away from counterattacking Ala Mihgo...and their ships need to take the route through the Burn... so assuming Varis can't politically hold things down(Quite possibly from someone's assassination attempt...)
The Garlean troops see this shield in the Burn, go "Hey, didn't Cid make a thingamajig to break through this sort of thing?" They stick that on their Big Ships, and have a go at forcing through the shield. Now that cranks up the juice at the House of the Crooked Coin...Which, either through the assault to break through or the tech connecting it to the shield failing...goes out of control with the energy demand and unleashes its power unhampered...All that un-reincarnating power...

And there is your flood of light...

Some problems there I think.

The Burn is between Garlemald and Othard, not Ala Mhigo.
Cid didn't make that thing, the Sharlayans did, we dug it out of the Gubal Library.
A flood of light, to our knowledge from 3.4, isn't just some big aether explosion.

Some supposition but I think the outcome of the Crooked Coin being overloaded is more like to be like the end of Allagan Empire. It's basically an aetherial electrical grid substation and the vast majority of them were overloaded when Dalamud was hooked up to the network, blew up, and caused the "Calamity of Earth."

Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

I would like to point out that the Warriors of Light throughout the ages have never managed to stop a Calamity from happening. Help save people from it? Yes. Prevent it? No.

What the voice is asking us to do has never been successfully done before.

It should be noted that the previous Warriors of Light had stronger Crystals of Light then we do and most likely had a much stronger Hydaelyn helping them. In terms of the amount of power Hydaelyn can lend the Warriors of Light, we more then likely much less help then "usual". So not only must we do something no one before us has done, we have to do it with less gifted power then they had access to.

Which is, I suspect, where Garlemald factors into the equation. If Garlemald aligns itself with the Warrior of Light then - in theory - it will stand a better chance at preventing something bad from happening. As it stands, Ascians are running the show in Garlemald and Varis is in dire need of some aid. Yet the Eorzean Alliance is assuming the worst and sowing the seeds of chaos that risk sparking another War of Succession. One which will force Garlemald's leadership to act and fight amongst themselves. It could even lead to Varis falling and being replaced with a much more eager, power hungry puppet willing to dance to the tune of the Ascians.

I don't believe it to be a coincidence that the voice began speaking moments after the Eorzean Alliance agreed to go with Thancred's plan. If it has insight into the future, then disaster is likely linked to forcing Garlemald's hand. There's a lot we know that the protagonists don't, of course...but at this point in time it is the Eorzean Alliance that is the aggressor rather than Garlemald. We also now know that Garlemald's past aggression was the result of Ascian meddling.