[dev1301] Private Player Residences Discussion

[TypeZ]

You can't..... craft in there? w-why??

It's very simple. Botters/RMT woud take over...

[Felis]

Well i see that theres a lot of concern about where your house is, If SE wants realism about wheres ur house and all is (limsa,uldah.gridania), make a teleport point idk in the market ward area so u can go to ur house wherever it is and when exiting ur house u appear in the town where you were, make a moogle do the teleport job if they want lore.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post554282

[Altanas]

It feels a step back 20 years, even in Secret of Mana your whole party could stay in your inn room ;o

It would be nice if the Inns took on a more human/social aspect, such as friendly npc's arriving unannounced with random quest offers or other random social occasions, similar to Grandia where you dont just stay at the inn you actually sit around a dinner table conversing with npcs. Chuck in the mainstoryline companion and you'd have an interesting way of bonding with your npc (think persona social link system).

An inn by its nature is a more public place. It would have been nice to have a place to invite the whole LS for meetings, roleplay (/gasp) and such (not saying you cant do that in the open world, its just having the option...)

These kind of social aspects help deepen an MMO and have that addictive "gotta catch em all" mentality to push it along.

[Yelta_Sumasu]

Ill never understand that forced to skip cutscenes, I will always allow linkshell members to watch cutscenes, I would hate to miss them.

Before we start I always just announce to my party that I will not be skipping the cutscene as it is my first time. But I do wish we could re-watch those in the room also...

[Rukkirii]

There was a question regarding how potent the rested bonus would fair in comparison to Guardian’s Aspect. For regional leves, we are making adjustments so it is the same amount of EXP as if you had Guardian’s Aspect active.

Also to clarify, as long as you have completed the main quest requirement for your city-state, you’ll be able to accept the inn quest for each of the city-states. By completing each of the city-state’s inn quests, it will be possible to utilize the inns in each of the city-states.

As for the EXP bonuses that are applied, there was a concern that non-Disciple of the Hand classes are missing out being able to utilize the rested XP as freely as they would like. We’re preparing the following methods, so that a player can select which to use depending on the situation:

Static EXP bonus – Utilize the rest bonus
EXP bonus on demand – Food, company engineered items, etc.
(Also note that the XP bonus from food is the same regardless of type of food consumed)

We are currently looking into other questions that have been posted in this thread, so please hang tight!

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Thank ya kindly for ze updates! *rents an inn in every city, mwee hee hee*

edit: That Disciple of the Hand classes were missing out? Uh ohs.

[Quesse]

I think it might be because of botting? Just think a private room where no one else can see you or interact, you could bot in there all day and SE would never know.

This is a bit silly.

Just because you're in your residence, SE won't know if you're turboing the enter button? Probably not true.

-- What you actually mean to say is that regular players can't easily attempt to determine if someone is bot-crafting (as if they ever have been able to with accuracy.)
-- SE has access to each person's input stream from their client. They don't need to see someone to know what they are doing. They will just see the input stream matches a bot-like pattern and ban. This is especially true for something like all the mass-bans that used to happen periodically in FFXI.
-- How do you reason that you're somehow would be 'safe' in your residence from SE's monitoring in any way? FFXIV residences do not resemble a real-life house where you can go inside and pull the shades down. Just the opposite. Everything you do is super transparent. An example: one of the computer networks I manage, I can pull up anyone's computer screen and see what they are doing at any time - without them even knowing. I just click a button and there is their screen. Sure SE employees have hooks into just about every view of their game with complex reporting metrics and the like.

I'm sort of surprised that more than a couple people suggested that no crafting was allowed in residences because you could get away with botting. You realize that, for instance, unless you are browsing the internet on an SSL encrypted site (and even then its not completely secure) that your service provider (including cell phone provider) is logging every site you are going to and every keypress you are making on the internet? They keep this data for months and years!

Just because no in-game players can 'see' you doesn't mean SE can't. They can. Privacy is dead - especially in MMORPGs, where it was never there to begin with.

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Regarding the update... let me get this straight, the only use for residences is to

1) view cutscenes

2) amass a resting bonus

Seems like a waste of an update.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

I'm actually pretty upset to see that you can't craft and stuff in your room, too. However, there could be a few reasons for this that don't have to do with botting. Which, by the way, would not change anything and people who bot will still do so. With private rooms or without.

This other reason might be that they want crafting classes to be in their respected guilds... which actually makes a lot of sense. Other players who need help from a crafting class are not going to get through to them if they are in their rooms.

[Kio]

Kinda feels pointless not being allowed to do crafting and related actions in the inn, I really wanted a private area to do that quietly without being bothered with other player's sound effects and people running over and blocking my view of the crafting orb...Or facing the public embarrassment of a lot of failures in a row. ^^; I doubt it has anything to do with bot crafters, as they are all out in the open on the streets in plain view as it is now on my server.

But I do miss quietly crafting in my mog house room in XI, well hopefully for 2.0 player housing Yoshi has something interesting up his sleeve.

I have a few questions maybe someone can clarify.
-Will the rested xp bonus automatically apply itself to the first class played that is able to level? Or will there be some sort of way for the player to execute it (such as a button in the micro menu)?
-What exactly is the recharge rate and what will the cap be? IE: X hours logged off = Y bonus xp up to Z amount maximum.
-Will you be able to stack the exp bonus from scrolls and food with the rested bonus?
-Will there be inns or equivalents in other places besides the city-states such as hamlets or outposts?

[Estellios]

@Altanas that kind of stuff will be around with the player-owned residences since they are not instanced according to interviews and such in the past. That type of stuff probably isn't possible at all with the current game and they're working within their limits.