Let Players Buy/Trade Housing Again?

[Raim]

Multiple servers now have little to no housing available for returning or new players. The new system of lockouts after a plot is abandoned makes it all but impossible to acquire one as it typically just gets relocated into by an existing plot owner or you are competing with a dozen other people spamming the placard with no indication when it'll work. Obviously you want to avoid flippers who purchase plots strictly to resell. Couldn't you just limit it to people who have owned the plot a certain amount of months? Housing is pretty much a major feature for a lot of people playing the game and its unavailable to many.

[Vidu]

aaaah... Balmung.

This major feature is available to you on multiple smaller servers.

Making reselling easier - aka: removing the random timer wont make it easier for returning or new people.
People were asking for absurd amount of gil (and even real money...) - amounts of gil that you, as a returning or new player, most likely wont have to begin with.
Letting people sell houses again wont magically increase the amount of houses in the game either - an overpopulated server like Balmung will never have enough houses for everyone, as long as they stick to their current system.
Being able to just throw (maybe even real) money at it, isnt a fix.

[Rhysati]

aaaah... Balmung.

This major feature is available to you on multiple smaller servers.

I agree that allowing reselling is a stupid idea. But come on now...of course housing is available on smaller servers. And you know precisely where housing doesn't mean anything? Smaller servers.

Balmung needs housing for the roleplay community that actually uses them on a daily basis. Switching to some other barely populated server in order to get a house that you're the only person that will ever be in is a ridiculous solution and always has been.

[Jojoya]

I agree that allowing reselling is a stupid idea. But come on now...of course housing is available on smaller servers. And you know precisely where housing doesn't mean anything? Smaller servers.

Balmung needs housing for the roleplay community that actually uses them on a daily basis. Switching to some other barely populated server in order to get a house that you're the only person that will ever be in is a ridiculous solution and always has been.

So stay within the limits of the game instead of trying to go god-mode. RP you're poor and cut out of the housing ownership market so you have to make due with an apartment.

So the flippers could just sit on the house for X numbers of months before selling them for ten to twenty times what they are worth? Hard pass.


Implying that Balmung is the only server that has an RP community...

Do have to admit that's it probably the largest on the NA realms, though Mateus is close. There's an RP community here on Coeurl but it is on the small side.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

So stay within the limits of the game instead of trying to go god-mode. RP you're poor and cut out of the housing ownership market so you have to make due with an apartment.



Do have to admit that's it probably the largest on the NA realms, though Mateus is close. There's an RP community here on Coeurl but it is on the small side.

I mean locked houses are even in the extreme minority, just use some else's house for your rp.

[Vidu]

I agree that allowing reselling is a stupid idea. But come on now...of course housing is available on smaller servers. And you know precisely where housing doesn't mean anything? Smaller servers.

Balmung needs housing for the roleplay community that actually uses them on a daily basis. Switching to some other barely populated server in order to get a house that you're the only person that will ever be in is a ridiculous solution and always has been.

...why doesnt it mean anything on smaller servers?
A house can be used for more than RP and RP can be done without a house.

Its not like Balmung would have a greater need for housing because of RP but because your server is to full.

I like decorating houses, for example - there is no need for anyone to use them afterwards, I had a lot of fun spending several days placing and replacing furniture. When I was a child I had a dollhouse that I would only redecorate ever so often, but never actually play with. So a house on a smaller server can mean something indeed.

And others have already mentioned ways around your lack of a house for your RP - use an FC- or friends-house or look for someone who has opend their house for RP (with the new estate tags that might even be easier now!), get an apartment or FC-room. Roleplay as homeless person or as nomand. Join a smaller server that has RP going on aswell.
Choose whats more important to you - your own home or your RP-community?

I know this sucks but within the given system you can only for the way around it that works best for you.

[Kurando]

Also it's rare that new players are able to even get on to Balmung, and generally if they do, it's usually alts or people that know the situation.

[Jojoya]

Trying to set conditions to allow certain privileged players to flip houses isn't going to solve anything. It's just going to bring back the old issues related to resellers (not that some of them don't still exist thanks to relocation not being subject to the timer).

If you want a house that badly, play on a world that has them available. We've got roughly 500 houses available on Coeurl and had about a dozen mediums for sale when I checked last week.

[Usho]

If you want a house that badly, play on a world that has them available. We've got roughly 500 houses available on Coeurl and had about a dozen mediums for sale when I checked last week.

What about the people who want a house, but have friends on their servers? What if they own Free Companies? What if they don't have money to server transfer? I think you're being a little insensitive to the players who can't just pack up and leave so they can get a house. The fault lies with SE and the flaws they made when they made these housing rules, and housing in general really. You're basically saying "Stop crying and move if you want anything" and I think you need to check yourself. Not everyone can just up and leave. SE needs to do more on their end to fix these issues, issues that THEY created but as usual are too lazy to fix.






/2 cents

[Vidu]

What about the people who want a house, but have friends on their servers? What if they own Free Companies? What if they don't have money to server transfer? I think you're being a little insensitive to the players who can't just pack up and leave so they can get a house. The fault lies with SE and the flaws they made when they made these housing rules, and housing in general really. You're basically saying "Stop crying and move if you want anything" and I think you need to check yourself. Not everyone can just up and leave. SE needs to do more on their end to fix these issues, issues that THEY created but as usual are too lazy to fix.






/2 cents

Allowing house-flipping again is not one of those things though.

The housing system is far from perfect and I'm crossing my fingers for increased apartment-sizes, but stopping the reselling of plots through the random-timer is a step into the rigth direction. It might not be a perfectly fair system either, but its a lot better than someone just being able to throw money at it.

RMTS STILL cheat the f**king system by creating fake FCs to pass ownership and repeat the process to create more fake FCs to bypass the rules and get MORE plots. The system is FLAWED and players are still cheating the system to buy up more properties.



The system is sh*t and no having a random chance to buy a plot is NOT fair, especially to the people who wait to buy a house only to have some random person come and relocate on the houses that those people who waited WANTED to buy. And even if the old property is relinquished, you still have to do with the sh*tty random timer, only to have someone else come and relocate on the house and those the process of waiting only to have the house sniped via relocation continues.


Don't you see wtf is happening? Or are you THAT blind to the clear abuse that's taking place? None of this is fair, and the RMTs and the other cheaters win anyway, while the folks who want a house legitly get SCREWED over by the system. All SE's doing, cause they can't create a decent housing system worth a damn in this game for the life of them.



But keep white knighting the issue Bahati! I'm sure the RMT's love the work you're doing for them. You are part of this problem and enable SE to continue to doing nothing about the obvious flaws and problems with the system THEY created but are too lazy to properly fix. Putting bandaids on the problem won't fix it and this current issue is clearly a band aid that SE won't remedy.


Talking to white knights who refuse to see the flaws but continue to defend SE's laziness is like taking to a wall...no progress comes from it.







/2 cents

...okay, you really need to take a deeo breath, calm down and stop throwing insults and swear words around, because thats only going to make people - including possible GMs - not take you seriously.

No one here claims that the system is perfect, but as it stands right now its the best we have. And we should definitly ask for it to be improved - for example by allowing apartments come in the size of all types of houses, if they dont to do real, instanced housing, but just sitting around, screaming how unfair you feel you've been treated by everyone and the world isnt going to make this change happen.

We ARE better off with the random timer and without the house flippers - as much as you might hate that you got screwed over there.
And all your talk about fair... you're confusing throwing time, money and effort at something and therefor being entitled to it, to "fair". A system without a random timer and with house flippers isnt fair either - it rewards those people who have the time and/or money to pay fees that they shouldnt have to pay. Thats not fair to the new player, who just started the game and cant get a house because they dont have 80 million gil, either. Thats just beneficial to you.

And the person relocating to that spot right under your nose? Who tells you that thats not the plot they've waited to get for months and years?
I would be okay with the random-timer applying to relocations aswell, but seeing as they leave a plot behind, its not first priority.

I'm also quite sure that the RMT-involvment in housing went down quite a bit since they added the timer - maybe they didnt manage to abolish it, but as far as I'm concerned any little bit helps here.

Please stop calling people "White Knights" when it clearly doesnt apply - no one here is saying "I LOVE this housing system! Its the best housing system EVER!", but we're trying to be rational about it and realise that they cant fix it with a finger snap.
No, the housing system isnt perfect.
But insulting people - wether its another player or SE - wont make it better.

The random timer helped to solve one problem. Personally I'm now keeping my fingers crossed that they're going to solve another, by potentially adding medium and large apartments. Yelling at anyone wont achieve that, however.