Thread: Revelations from Patch 4.4

Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

On the Burn

Solus saying the Burn is a result of primal summoning is a classic case of Ascian manipulation. Only it's him manipulating everyone in the Garlean Empire. As far as we can tell, there never was any primal summoning in the Burn to begin with. The Allagans purposely drained an entire area of aether to hack of pieces of it for Azys Lla. They just didn't turn off the aether drain afterwards.

On this topic, there's something about 1.0

If I remember correctly there was a cutscene in 1.0, where the MC was seeing a group of garleans that were like mindcontrolling some lalafells I think and telling them to go against the eikons, maybe SE is finally using that plot point (it was during the first scenario of 1.0 btw) and implying that they were servants of Solus that were corrupting ppl to sic them in killing primals, afterall ascians have always said after each kill of a primal it is actually making hydaelyn weaker. Perhaps Solus' shadow is much deeper than we realize

Edit: FOUND IT! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps-giTboFpc From 14:20 minutes

The speech of the centurion clearly doesn't sound very garleanish to me

On Dotharli beliefs...

The Dotharl believe that if you kill yourself in the House of the Crooked Coin, you remove your soul from the reincarnation cycle. The idea that it isn't just Ascian/Echo users' souls that can float around after death and attach to a body but everyone is intriguing...but more interesting to me right now is the idea that perhaps all those Dotharli who killed themselves on the statue (who removes the bodies?!) actually had their aether integrated into it.

We already know it's possible for souls to follow others around post-demise, ex: Haurchefant and Ysayle appeared to help us save Estinien. For the Dotharl reincarnation cycle to be true, their children would have to be without a soul at conception, meaning they are all technically just empty vessels waiting around for a soul, meaning no new souls are generated. Sometimes, they say, a soul from another tribe or place is reborn as a Dotharl (to explain unfamiliar souls).

It was an interesting concept before but now I really wonder how much of it is actually true and what connections Nhaama/Azim have to the facts we currently know about gods, deities, kami, and ancient civilizations...

I have not played it myself but watches someone go through it after the burn, so here are my thoughts for

MSQ:

I am not a fan that the part with the burn and that thing was just Allagans again. Also isnt it a bit risky to activate something that is so unkown? Its not like they do know about the consequences.

About the calling: I do believe that this is Zodiac. WoD dont make much sense for me, since they never have shown such power and him going on about time really reminds me of Zodiac. I do wonder if he is truthful but right now I believe that this is just another lie. He just wants us to open the gate to make it easier and probably took out every scion that could be dangerous to the plan. Thancred with his knowledge of Garlemald would have been a great asset for the action there and Urianger and Ysthola have a great knowledge about the world and it could be that they would have found a way to reverse the action thus also taken out. Alisaie is not that dangerous in a way and he probably could not have taken our soul. It was not shown if Alphinaud got something similiar but it does not seem to be the case.

Also why did nobody really talk about the message? I know that they just have lost Thancred but not one of them thought about what that means? Seemingly its a hint that the way we want to go is wrong. But what should we do instead? We cant wait and let Garlemald destroy cities or countries for some kind of balance..and we cant take them by direct force either. And since we know that Garlemald itself is not what it truly looked like, I cant see peace as an option with this government.

The part with Ga Bu was really nice but also quite sad. It touched me more than the fall of the three scions.

Garlemald and Ascians: I am 100% not a fan of this reveal. Can we have at least one big country in this world that does something on their own? I did believe that there could be a chance that they were already influenced in the past but that it was founded by an Ascian..that kinda means that all their history and fights are based on lies. Heck this is even worse than Ishgard in that regards. (Something being done by Allagans or Ascians is really starting to become a meme..and a bit boring)

Elidibus: I still believe that he is lieing. For an emissary that wants balance its kinda strange that he suddenly takes a side and directly kills people. He even said that Varis should sent the army to Ala Mhigo and that we could be easily killed..but if we are killed wouldnt that upset the balance greatly? Also why does he never truly talk to us if balance is important for him? He never really tries to get us on his side and now even talks about killing us..

Solus: I love his characterisation. Finally an Ascian with one..He seems to have hinted that maybe even Allag was something the Ascians have planned and I fear that this was the case..interesting how he says that Varis and the Ascians still have the same end goal..but since I do believe that this would be the end of our lives I cant see this as the way to go.

Varis: Well one could feel a bit sympathy for him but I just cant. Depending on how long he knows about this, he still went through everything while knowing that the part with primals was all a lie..and if he only recently found out about this then he still acted horrible before that on his own. He seems to have doubts right now but did work together with them before. Maybe he is just getting sick of being a puppet? The bad thing for him: If the people find out that all was a lie and that he was working with them, he wont survive that. Exactly like Thordan did. He also got worse than Solus since he even forbids certain art. Kinda interesting since Solus who was an Ascian was seemingly less strict in that part. He also still says nothing about taking out the opponents thus I just cant see us working with him. In the end we still need more informations about his motivations but the scene has not raised him to a better position in my eyes.

It would not also surprise me if a lot of the rise of the empire was truly only possible thanks to Ascians. They probably knew a lot about technology thanks to their age. At least we know now that the meteor project was a genuie plan to end Eorzea and that maybe even the battle against Middy was planned since this released more primals back to the land.

Anyway the goal to unite the world and save the people from Primals is nothing but a lie. All it does exist for is to create chaos and to force calamities..I really dont like the way this went..

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

OMEGA question.

So I liked the story, more than I initially thought I would. But I'm a bit confused by the history between Midgar and Omega.

Midgar had to flee his world and I assumed this was because of Omega.

But Omega makes it seem like it never bested Midgar?

Does Omega not count it because Midgar ran away and Omega failed to pursue him to complete the task and instead ended up with the Allagans or w/e?

The 2 fought and Midgardsomr defeated Omega. It was only a temporary victory as Omega was incredibly resilient. Midgardsomr realized it was only a matter of time before it reactivated with new strategies, and he was already weakened from the first fight and the planet they were on was on the verge of destruction. He fled to protect his brood and himself as it indicates he wouldn't have recovered in enough time to survive a second fight. When Omega recovered from its statis, it did detect Midgardsomr was gone and did attempt to chase him, but at that point, it was a long distance and apparently Omega was not really designed for deep space travel. The whole scene with Alpha traversing the stars is a report of Omega's journey as it traveled.