Thread: Revelations from Patch 4.4

On Ascian forms:

One of the things I'd previously assumed was that Ascians are always possessing *someone* to be able to manifest in their normal forms, but now I don't think it's necessarily the case. What particularly set me wondering is the aftermath of the Chrysalis, where we see Nabriales dead on the floor and then he emerges from it again - identical but he hasn't taken over a new body, so what is happening?

From this I wondered if they can have two states:
1. pure aetherial form - looks solid but functionally a ghost
2. possessing a body - gives them solid form, may or may not be able to "reshape" the body to their true appearance, or use it as-is to imitate the original person. (Alternately the 'ghost' retains the host's appearance even after splitting, or maybe they just tend to 'target' people that look like them if they need a new body.)

After seeing the scene with Solus - particularly the fact that Varis shot him and he rematerialises immediately, while his previous body remains lying there - set me to wondering that same thing again, with the addition of trying to make sense of how Solus could have been an old man and now is not. Suppose if an Ascian possesses a living body, and that body is still fully human and continues to grow and age? So at some point "Solus the Ascian" possessed the real Solus, and it's only after dying that he's now free to resume his original Ascian form? Though it's still a Garlean appearance... Could the original Solus be "turned Ascian" and now his permanent aetherial appearance reflects the age he was when it happened?

It's all a bit messy.

It’s not quite the same though.

Its not just the same body rematerialising though - the Ascian reappears or emerges from the body in the same visible form while the “killed body” continues to lie there on the floor.

about msq........

Maybe it's just because of the recent memeing but....... when I saw solus I thought that the nortification plague had reached FFXIV too

The Black Rose:

Gaius suspects that the Ascians are responsible for making use of the Black Rose. This could very well be true, though I reckon there's another viable alternative. Zenos. The original one, that is. He did have access to pretty much everything in Ala Mhigo after all...and he's depraved enough to use it on a whim, perhaps in an effort to lure the Warrior of Light for another confrontation in the hope that he can get the true death that he desires? Even if the original Zenos is unrelated to the use of the poison, the fact that he did not show up at all in the latest batch of MSQ's makes me even more certain that he'll be dealt with as the final boss of 4.5 - as a loose end to tie up.

MSQ Spoilers

Makes a lot more sense why Varis spat on Solus' coffin in this scene now

https://youtu.be/_ZnGS60aRIM

I wonder when Varis discovered? I reckon Solus was the one who told him to go to war with his Uncle

I am sensing a changing the timeline story plot now for upcoming 5.0 expansion.

Someone is calling out to WoL and the Scions which I can only guess he maybe from the future where WoL and his friends follow through with their war against the Garlean Empire but it resulted in the Last Calamity the Ascians needed to awaken Zodiark.

If I have to guess 5.0 may end up with a changing the preset (our time)/past (the Voice past events) to prevent this final Calamity.

I'm still trying to comprehend a few things...

Originally Posted by Chewy2nd

MSQ Spoilers

Makes a lot more sense why Varis spat on Solus' coffin in this scene now

https://youtu.be/_ZnGS60aRIM

I wonder when Varis discovered? I reckon Solus was the one who told him to go to war with his Uncle

I always thought that was his Uncle Titus' casket?

And secondly, our new Ascian being able to easily materialize a corporeal form at will (while the first one is still lying lifeless nearby) is quite interesting and throws out a few Ascian speculations out the window.