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  1. #131
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    Also many allusions about him during 4.0 and 4.1 sidequests and MSQ some of which have turned out being plot points in 4.4.
    Not to mention the fact that devs never spoke as him being ever dead when asked to.
    I mean the hints were out there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalien View Post
    I'm still torn on it being Gaius... I mean yeah it is Gaius, but... Can't people just stay dead? But at the same time, A Realm Reborn really kind of ruined Gaius IMO... He went from an interesting and intimidating character in 1.x, to a moron in 2.0 who just got so easily used and thrown away by Lahabrea (who 1 - is not people, and 2 - never died to begin with so shush!)... Shadowhunter can be a second chance that is somewhat welcome, I guess... There's also going to be something delightfully ironic about him turning Heirsbane on Solus... Still, I'd love to know how he survived a Castrum going thermonuclear ontop of him (plus found his way to the Burn of all places), looking forward to Nero meeting him though, because just like with the whole "Lucia is Livia!" theory pre-Heavensward, "Why'd they abandon their Legion like that if they survived?" is the first question on my lips, except with Gaius it is so much worse... He dragged them all into a conquest against the Emperors orders, purely for his own selfish reasons, then abandons them all there? Yeesh...
    My explanation for Gaius' character changes from 1.0 to 2.0 is the WoL-centric amnesia everyone got after the Calamity. Gaius starts off 1.0 not respecting the WoL at all, but by the end, the WoL is the one Gaius goes to to warn the Eorzean Alliance about the VIIth Legion. Gaius spent all of 1.0 watching the WoL fight primals, help the Eorzean Alliance form and defeat Nael. And then he forgets all of that. It probably doesn't help either that for the next five years, no one rises up to take up the WoL's role. So I can see Gaius going along with whatever he thinks will work when the opportunity presents itself.

    Ironically, the best thing Gaius could do for the XIVth Legion is leave them in Eorzea. They don't have anywhere else to go. One of the first things Nero reveals in the Crystal Tower raid is that everyone in the XIVth Legion has death sentences waiting for them back in Garlemald. And the Eorzean Alliance is practical enough that they know they have more pressing problems to deal with then go after a bunch of castrums that aren't backed by the Empire and aren't going out of their way to bother the rest of Eorzea.

    The other thing to consider is that Gaius probably feels Eorzea has people in it who can be trusted to appropriately deal with whatever threats come up. The WoL and the Scions have proved they can deal with eikons and the WoL was there when Laharea spilled the beans on what the Ascian's goals are and liked them as much as Gaius did. Cid and the Ironworks are more then capable of figuring out any Allagan tech lying around and Nero's there to bring anything they need to deal with to their attention. To top it all off, the Eorzean Alliance is stronger then it's ever been in recent memory and has a set of reasonable leaders in charge of it. So Eorzea's in a good position all things considered.

    Ilsabard, meanwhile, is a potential disaster waiting to happen. I can't see any reason Gaius would know about the Ascians before he met Lahabrea, so he probably assumes Ilsabard doesn't know about them either. So Ilsabard is ripe for Ascian manipulations. The Scions can't get there and would have no idea what to look for even if they could get in there. Gaius though... he's from Ilsabard and conquered part of it. He probbably knows what he should be finding there and what shouldn't be there. From his point of view, there probably isn't anyone else who could know where Ascians are in Ilsabard better then he could.
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  4. #133
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    For Gaius I wonder what his end game was. Did he think that if he conquored Eorzea that the Emperor would forgive his transgressions and allow the XIVth back into the fold? Or did he plan to simply rule it himself as a rival to Garlemald?
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    The Garlean War of Succession is happening all throughout 2.0. I don't think Gaius could have known who would win it, although that might not have really mattered to him. As it is, Gaius' stance doesn't identify with either the Populares and the Optimates. The Populares want to stop Garlemald's conquests, which Gaius thinks they should continue. The Optimates think Garleans are better then everyone else just because they are Garlean (race/culture) which Gaius definetly doesn't agree with. He's got the Optemates' desire of conquest (particularly towards nations who aren't governed well) and the Populares respect of people who have earned it (race/culture isn't a factor for him). So he doesn't really have a side in the War of Succession. Meanwhile, he knows Eorzea has problems with summoning eikons and with the Ultima Weapon, he's got a way to put a stop to it. I can see him gambling that the winner of the War of Succession is going to okay with what he ends up doing so long as the eikon problem is ultimately dealt with.

    Of course, that's not what ends up happening. Giaus finds out that eikon summoning is simply a means to an end for something even worse. And that the Eorzeans figured that out before he did and the Garleans don't know anything about it...
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    After watched the trailer and then listen the mysterious voice from 4.4, all in french, for me i'am almost certain, it's Zenos.
    He will play an important role in the future, that's sure.
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    All I want is one expansion where they reanalyze the jobs and make massive adjustments to unhomogenize them. This is Final Fantasy 14 not Club penguin I dont wish for jobs that only have 5 buttons going for them or play exactly the same as 2/3 other jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceasaria View Post
    After watched the trailer and then listen the mysterious voice from 4.4, all in french, for me i'am almost certain, it's Zenos.
    He will play an important role in the future, that's sure.
    Zenos? The real one in Elezen body?
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    Yep.
    After all, he knows how to extract/transfer soul from a body, isn't it (from Aulus) ?
    So, it's logical, what happened to the scions could be his action (volunteer or not).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    All I want is one expansion where they reanalyze the jobs and make massive adjustments to unhomogenize them. This is Final Fantasy 14 not Club penguin I dont wish for jobs that only have 5 buttons going for them or play exactly the same as 2/3 other jobs.
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    This current card system needs to be unwritten, destroyed and never returned.

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    So after the teaser trailer, I decided to look in the lore book regarding the Warriors of Darkness (also sorry if this was brought up a few pages back. I don't have the time to read everything yet ).

    MSQ
    I noticed a little tid-bit on the page that talks about the Flood of Light. It wasn't instantaneous, as I originally thought and was instead a slow process of the land gradually being drained of Aether. This caught my attention because this was something mentioned a couple of times in the 4.4 story.

    Is the Source currently experiencing a Flood? With Lahabrea gone and Gaius supposedly having a few kills on his belt, it's entirely possible to think this is the case, right? The Warriors of Darkness' world was threatened by the Flood after they vanquished Mitron, who was likely the "Lahabrea" of their world... now I'm curious about the Shard Nabriales is from.
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  10. #139
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    The Source is not experiencing a Flood. What the Source is experiencing is the draining of aether that happens before a Calamity (Rejoining). There's a very, very good reason that the Voice in 4.4 refers to "Twin Dooms" instead of "Twin Calamities" or "Twin Floods" or "Twin Rejoinings". In the context of FFXIV, a Calamity is a very specific event, one that, by definition, can not involve a Flood. Just as a Flood isn't an instantaneous event, so to is a Calamity. 1.0 is all about the lead-up to the 7th Umbral Calamity and how may of the things leading up to it drove many things in the Realm haywire. What is unusual is how quickly the 8th Umbral Calamity is coming after the 7th Umbral Calamity. Calamities have always been very far apart from each other (we're talking thousands of years here). Now we're getting one not even a hundred years after the last one.

    What I don't think has ever happened is that a Calamity and Flood has happened at the same time. In a Calamity or Rejoining, the wall between one of the Shards and the Source collapses and the Shard rejoins the Source. All the aether from the Shard is rejoined to the aether of the Source, killing all life on the Shard (but probably not annihilating its aether). However, Shards that have been Flooded can not be Rejoined to the Source. The Ascians want Rejoinings to happen. What I wonder, is if the Shard that the Ascians are planning on Rejoining to the Source this time around is about to be Flooded. Which might break things even the Ascians don't want to be broken.

    The other thing that might be happening is that there's been enough Rejoinings for Zodiark to come back and that ends up playing havoc with a bunch of stuff other then just Zodiark (like Hydaelyn). The keynote specifically said the 8th Umbral Calmity would be the last one, and bringing Zodiark back is the entire point of the Calamties. So... yeah...

    So far, the only "dimensions" that we've seen Floods happen in is Shards and the only "dimension" we've seen a Calamity happen in is the Source. So until we get more information, it's most likely that the Source isn't about to be Flooded, but that some other Shard is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ObsidianFire View Post
    The Source is not experiencing a Flood. What the Source is experiencing is the draining of aether that happens before a Calamity (Rejoining).
    Can we be sure of that?

    I also noticed the lorebook mentioning that the Flood was preceded by the draining of aether, which is what seems to be happening now. Perhaps it's a sign of imbalance in either direction.

    The full quote:

    On the Warriors of Darkness (EE Vol.1 p.214)
    Born in the First, the Warriors of Darkness wer once adventurers in their own world. It is said that no Dark entity could withstand them, and in the end, they vanquished a high Ascian known as Mitron the Chastiser. Alas, the strength of their Light was too great, and with their victory came a Flood of Light, threatening a return of their realm to nothingness. Ever so slowly, the aether began to drain from the First. To save their world from becoming a void itself, the heroes believed they had no recourse but to attempt a rejoining, and thus sought to incite a calamity from within the Source. With Elidibus's guidance and knowledge, they ended their lives, and transcended the dimension to be born again as the Warriors of Darkness.
    So... is the "Flood of Light" not yet the end, but a sign that it is coming? (And it's still terribly vague as to what it actually involves... but it sounds like we might be in for a much closer look fairly soon.)
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