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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    They haven't said anything.
    Yes thy hve everyone on my sever talking abt it well guess wat everyone Don't hve to think abt a blue mage tank anymore thts a no go blue mage going to be dps gunblade tank
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    i mean if Blue mage was gonna be a tank
    and Dancer is a physical healer
    they would have a trait to change there stats so they don't have to make new gear
    "might to magic"
    etc etc
    There's no reason blue mage as a tank couldn't wear heavy armour, especially if it was magitek flavoured.
    Tanks already have spells and magic damage that go off vit and str. Blue mage would be the same.

    A 'physical healer', whatever that means, would still need to go off mind like the other healers, just for the sake of balance.

    Trying to reconcile scouting gear with healing is like trying to force a square peg in a hole.
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    Baradaeg Ryssbhirwyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    There's no reason blue mage as a tank couldn't wear heavy armour, especially if it was magitek flavoured.
    Tanks already have spells and magic damage that go off vit and str. Blue mage would be the same.

    A 'physical healer', whatever that means, would still need to go off mind like the other healers, just for the sake of balance.

    Trying to reconcile scouting gear with healing is like trying to force a square peg in a hole.
    But PLDs and WARs healing skills and Second Wind are scaling from attack power and not mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion88 View Post
    But PLDs and WARs healing skills and Second Wind are scaling from attack power and not mind.
    and thats balanced for tanks, theyre not healers, they don't need to be balanced against an entire sets of skills.
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    Dancer will still be a MIND based healer for the sake of gear drops. They can still use melee skills and TP for their dps skills. Arguably it could make them even more mana efficient than other healers due to the ability to split their resources between MP and TP.

    I'd expect them to be wielding Ribbons like they did in FFT if they were made into a pure mage healer, possibly Polearms.

    For Blue Mage though it's likely going to be Scimitars. Whether they're a DPS or tank is unconfirmed.

    If we get a Gunblade class it would most likely be a ranged or melee DPS, with Tank also being a possibility due to garlean lore bending them closer to that. I'm hoping for a ranged DPS personally so we can get an alternative to Machinist and Bard, while SE figures out what they want to do about the other melee specific drops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starcake28 View Post
    Yes thy hve everyone on my sever talking abt it well guess wat everyone Don't hve to think abt a blue mage tank anymore thts a no go blue mage going to be dps gunblade tank
    If everyone on your server is talking about it I'm sure you have a source to link.
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    Just ask around thy will tell u i cant remember thm all but we was talking abt it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    A 'physical healer', whatever that means, would still need to go off mind like the other healers, just for the sake of balance.

    Trying to reconcile scouting gear with healing is like trying to force a square peg in a hole.
    You're super overthinking how to make this not work.

    The current glitter mage paradigm of healers bases healing spells on Healing Magic Potency, and the damage of attack spells on Attack Magic Potency. Both of these stats are exactly the Mind stat. The two magic potency stats could easily be collapsed into a single "Magic Power" stat, which would have no side effects beyond increasing the potency of the ACN/SMN Physick.

    It would be a trivial matter to assign DEX as the main stat of the next healer, whose heals scale on Attack Power, which would be exactly equal to Dexterity.

    There is no reason a DNC can't wear NIN gear and have abilities scale properly in such.


    Quote Originally Posted by Starcake28 View Post
    Just ask around thy will tell u i cant remember thm all but we was talking abt it
    You made the claim that the devs have made an official statement that Blue Mage will come as a damage dealer job. The burden is on you to produce the official statement. Such a statement from the devs would be uncharacteristic and premature given the time frame, and we have good reason not to believe you.
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    Last edited by Rongway; 09-30-2018 at 05:44 AM.
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    Wonder Noblesse
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    Hmm I like the idea of wearing NIN gear. It's better than a robe anyways. I will never use polearms as a dancer-let's not even go there. Ribbons, dual knives, or even a pair of these are far better dancer weapons.

    As far as I know the devs haven't really said much about any of this. There's one guy who's shirt predicts the next job, but I don't think that's happened yet. He wore a Scarlet Witch shirt when we got Red Mage, etc.
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    "
    It would be a trivial matter to assign DEX as the main stat of the next healer, whose heals scale on Attack Power, which would be exactly equal to Dexterity.

    There is no reason a DNC can't wear NIN gear and have abilities scale properly in such."

    It would be trivial to replace mind with sex, sure.
    It wouldn't be trivial to reconcile the dex values of scouting gear with both ninja and dancer balance in mind.
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