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[SasoriSekinetsu]

What you call "grind", I call "play the game". What's the hurry to get to the later parts? That just means you will run out of content sooner rather than later.

When it's 20 hours of content that does nothing to progress my character or the MSQ then I find that a grind, there was no real progression, the EXP points in those quests was pointless because they were introduced when the level was capped at 50 & due to that silly "road to 60" buff I was over that & had better lv gear than what was given. I've still got all the access to run the dungeons & trials though, so not missed the content from it I liked.

Also, start from 50 or 60 or whatever it is here, should not be available for new players, that you actually need to level at least 1 job to max, before you can skip all content. Those are good things for veterean, but noobs like me and many other should not have acsess to them. I well remeber how annoyed I was in SWTOR Flashpoints( dungeons) when lvl 70 well geared player had no idea what to do with class or had never been in low level dungeon before...Leveling is for learning and seeing content at least once, that you have idea.

I agree in part with that, I just think though that if you've purchased the game up to SB, then once you've completed "The Ultimate Weapon" at the end or ARR, then it should allow you to then do "Coming to Ishgard" immediately, rather than make you play through the 100 level 50 quests that were added through the patches, give the player the choice at least, because those 100 lv.50 quests offer nothing to progress your character. I totally agree that someone who's not played from lv.1 thought shouldn't be able to skip straight into lv.60

[Frizze]

When it's 20 hours of content that does nothing to progress my character or the MSQ then I find that a grind, there was no real progression

Not progressing your character? Well they werent designed to. But if you dont think the patch line quests advanced the story then you clearly werent paying attention. The quest line starts out slowly, but from roughly patch 2.3 on through the end in 2.55(so about 70 of those 100 quests) everything is picking up steam and all the important pieces are getting put into the positions they need to be in. The fact that we're still paying off bits from those quests in the SB patchline 4 years later alone shows that they put a lot of important details into those 100 quests. And on top of that, they even listened to player feedback, as the HW patchline was only about 50 quests(and SB is shaping up to be about the same length) so that the same roadblocks werent as severe moving forward. Were these quests perfect? Oh god no, and theres certainly room to do a little trimming. But they arent as bad as people make them out to be either.

[Iscah]

When it's 20 hours of content that does nothing to progress my character or the MSQ [...]

The patch-story MSQ is still the MSQ, and some really major events happen in it - like the actual climax of the Heavensward story, and a lot of important information. New characters are introduced. Others die or are farewelled or change dramatically. We've learned some incredibly important things in the recent patches.


Also, for keeping levels balanced, even without the Road to 60 benefit I found it was best to keep two active classes at a time to share EXP between them.

[SasoriSekinetsu]

Not progressing your character? Well they werent designed to. But if you dont think the patch line quests advanced the story then you clearly werent paying attention. The quest line starts out slowly, but from roughly patch 2.3 on through the end in 2.55(so about 70 of those 100 quests) everything is picking up steam and all the important pieces are getting put into the positions they need to be in. The fact that we're still paying off bits from those quests in the SB patchline 4 years later alone shows that they put a lot of important details into those 100 quests. And on top of that, they even listened to player feedback, as the HW patchline was only about 50 quests(and SB is shaping up to be about the same length) so that the same roadblocks werent as severe moving forward. Were these quests perfect? Oh god no, and theres certainly room to do a little trimming. But they arent as bad as people make them out to be either.

Slowly is too kind a description for those patch MSQ quests, it was ridiculously padded & paced, honestly as a newcomer to the game, I was enjoying everything up until the 7th Astral Quests, I did try and make my way through them, but I really didn't enjoy it, I grabbed a jump potion & spent less than an hour reading up on the story arc from the end of ARR to HW, it allowed me to get into content I actually enjoyed again & allowed me to progress my character.

The patch-story MSQ is still the MSQ, and some really major events happen in it - like the actual climax of the Heavensward story, and a lot of important information. New characters are introduced. Others die or are farewelled or change dramatically. We've learned some incredibly important things in the recent patches.


Also, for keeping levels balanced, even without the Road to 60 benefit I found it was best to keep two active classes at a time to share EXP between them.

I wish I had kept two active classes, never mind !! I've got my SAM up to lv.70 through the MSQ, got my NIN up to lv.61 I think so far using the daily roulette's and beast tribe quests, along with some of the side quests I didn't complete.