Pushed to quit after 1,860 days subbed

[Fhaerron]

I took a break for about 4 months, still am somewat.

Last day of my sub I get into my house and then exit the game, sub runs out and I keep it like that for 44 (or whatever the amount of days is, I look at my emails 4 times /day).
1 day is left, I get Steam 30 day sub time, I log in the game, teleport to house plot (I was already there from last login), I step inside my house and exit again.
That takes less then 1 minute and there are 1440 minutes in one day. Better yet I counted this today and it takes me on average 25 seconds to launch client, login and get in my house and there is 86400 seconds in a day.

I'm much less a fan then you are, I don't go to fan fests, I didn't start in the beginning of time, yet somehow I know about this and also SE is friendly enough to send me multiple emails when my house demolishing is about to happen.

When you do have time to do seasonal events, then you also have time to spend less then 25 seconds to reset your house removal time.

Yes the housing system is trash and yes it sucks that you need to keep active sub time to prevent your house removal.

It's your own fault to be honest, you're describing yourself as the best fan but you don't know about this, the internet is full with info about this. Even I who's nothing compared to you're super uber l33t fan awesomeness about this game knew about it.

And to 'save' the most money in how to keep your house while being inactive you can do this:
On the last day of your sub you go into your house, then you can leave your account frozen for 44 days or whatever the counter is minus 1 day, then you get a new sub, login to the game and get in your house to reset the timer (less then 25 seconds needed) exit the game and 29/30 days later you log back in the game and go in your house (less then 25 seconds needed) you exit the game and then you keep your account frozen again for 44 days, rinse repeat ...

Edit:
Have you been living under a rock? Remember the recent nature disaster (not the current one but the one before that), It was all over on XIV stuff (on the launcher and on the webpage, ...) that auto-demolish was temporary suspended for people who had been hit and had no electricity, etc so they would not be able to come online.
Have you never once though 'what could this auto-demolishing mean'?
As a super amazing fan that's something you should have thought I think?

[Solarra]

It's your own fault ...

Ok, I know I said I was out of this discussion but seriously... the OP has admitted it was their own fault they lost their house, twice now. Here's the quote:

I am not contesting that my house was demolished. I am not saying that it shouldn't have been demolished, and I'm not saying Squenix is to blame for it being demolished.

So, I'm not quite sure why we are still debating this.
Is it because you think the OP hasn't gone far enough, even though they have accepted full responsibility for their house being demolished?
Or were you trying to make another point that I somehow missed? I'm honestly baffled.

I know the OP is implying that if in-game notification existed or the timer was more visible then they wouldn't have lost their house. None of us can know for certain what might have happened if things were different, but if we have an issue with any aspect of the game we are encouraged to bring it to the forum, which is what the OP did. To me this seems a simple question of could the system be improved and would it benefit people.

[R-Pete-G]

I'm honestly baffled.

I think for some people, they find it very difficult to understand that "no" is a valid answer to "Didn't you see this?", "Didn't you read this?" or "Had you not heard about this?", as though it were impossible - rather than just very unlikely, but still entirely possible - to have not.

[R-Pete-G]

I might as well, because deflating hyperbole is cathartic:

I'm much less a fan then you are, I don't go to fan fests, I didn't start in the beginning of time, yet somehow I know about this and also SE is friendly enough to send me multiple emails when my house demolishing is about to happen.

When you do have time to do seasonal events, then you also have time to spend less then 25 seconds to reset your house removal time.

No one's debating that I had time to something so trivial. I've said that if I had known, I would have. I'm delighted for you that you did know this, and were able to manage your own time accordingly. I'm not sure anyone's level of fandom has anything to do with how likely they are to see this information - I only mentioned my own fan engagement it in context for how the furnishings being lost (not the house being demolished) had made such an impact on me as a fan and collector of the content I lost.

It's your own fault to be honest, you're describing yourself as the best fan but you don't know about this, the internet is full with info about this. Even I who's nothing compared to you're super uber l33t fan awesomeness about this game knew about it.

Making silly exaggerated claims about what kind of a fan I am, which I've not actually made myself, is just a lazy way to try and prove a point. How much of a fan you are has no bearing on how you choose to seek out information on game systems, and we've already covered the subjectivity on "How much should you be Googling, and how much does the game have a responsibility to tell you?" at length in this thread.

Have you been living under a rock? Remember the recent nature disaster (not the current one but the one before that), It was all over on XIV stuff (on the launcher and on the webpage, ...) that auto-demolish was temporary suspended for people who had been hit and had no electricity, etc so they would not be able to come online.
Have you never once though 'what could this auto-demolishing mean'?
As a super amazing fan that's something you should have thought I think?

Putting the silly "super amazing fan" claims aside, because you're the only one making them and they're worthless, I don't know exactly which natural disaster you're referring to (which is sad that they're frequent enough for me to not be sure), but no - I don't recall seeing any articles about auto demolition being suspended. So the rest of your question is moot.

[NessaWyvern]

Putting the silly "super amazing fan" claims aside, because you're the only one making them and they're worthless, I don't know exactly which natural disaster you're referring to (which is sad that they're frequent enough for me to not be sure), but no - I don't recall seeing any articles about auto demolition being suspended. So the rest of your question is moot.

Well, there's been a few, with the most recent being the floods in Japan in July, 2018. A quick search lead me right to the article. https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ffaceba8982dfc

They also suspended demolition when hurricane Harvey and Irma were on the rampage.

They're posted in the notices on the launcher, but I admit I didn't see the July flood one, as I usually ignore the notices, since it's mostly just about eternal bonds, bot bannings, and maint.

[Alleo]

Forget the comparsion then... you are still missing the point. The information is out there. Just like everything else. So what cause it's housing the person isn't posed to look up information to keep it? That doesn't make sense. It's not like it's not out there AT ALL. Literally all he had to do was google. It's not SE fault he was too tucking lazy to use google. Sorry but I'm not goign to blame the company for a user error.. which is what this is. Had he did the research NONE OF THIS WOULD'VE HAPPEN! Can we stop with wanting to blame SE for EVERYTHING fopr a change and actually expect people to do their part for something that's - important- to them? Or is SE posed to baby us for everything?

And maybe if SE had just put in a little information about this when someone buys a house or give us an ingame mail or chat text when you log in then nobody would have the need to look for something outside of the game. Posters are looking at this with the viewpoint that they know that there is more behind housing but that is not the case for everyone. There are enough MMOs out there where you keep your house no matter how long you were gone. If that person now plays FF14 for quite some time and finally wants to buy themselves a house they will not get any notice when they buy it. Which would be the place where such a information should be visible. If there is no information there and then you wont have any direct messages ingame that there is a timer counting down, how would that person even know that they are missing something? Should we all be forced now to look up every single content to make sure that we are not missing something? Why not simply have the information ingame?

Also the OP itself stated more than once that it had hurt to lose the house but that it was not the reason for him to quit. It was the destruction of all house items that the OP has gathered over the years that hurt. And is it really fine that our items could be destroyed like that? What if someone was not able to play at all for like 4 months because of a sickness? Not only has that person lost their house but every single item too..so even if they had known about it but could not simply log into the game because of rl they still lose all of it. Even paid items. Is that fine?

It would be easy to solve for SE: Give ingame mails about the demolition, give a short information about this when you buy a house and store every housing item on a NPC that wont destroy it after a certain amount..This way people could at least try to get another one later and not lose years of work.

[R-Pete-G]

... how would that person even know that they are missing something? Should we all be forced now to look up every single content to make sure that we are not missing something?

I think what this thread has shown is that, for some people, they think that not only is the answer yes, but that it's a fact and not merely their opinion.

[AngelCheese77]

That's glossing over a very real issue several players seem to been having lately. There have been reports of people getting other player's housing e-mails despite not owning one, or they simply poof into the void.

Sometimes life happens, and it's not up to us to judge whether another player is invested or not in the house. It could be surgery, deployment, or anything else that prevents them from playing for an extended period of time. Pointing out the game's flaws isn't meant as an attack to the company. It's criticism to help them improve upon the game and address the concern a lot of the playerbase have. Sitting comfortably on your side of the fence and judging them isn't helping anyone.

This has me curious. If a player does have something like that come up, there needs to be a way to allow others that have permission to do things to the house (like decorate it or tend the garden or something) to be able to reset the timer when they enter the house.

I don't think this would be hard to implement. Maybe just another checkmark in the Permissions tab, or just allow it in general to anyone who has Permissions specifically for that house.

[AngelCheese77]

That's because it wasn't explained clearly anywhere in-game. I feel like we're talking in different languages here, not to mention completely missing the point of my response.

If deep down you're implying that it was ultimately OP's fault and that there's nothing to improve upon the housing system, I suppose there's nothing else to discuss. I know you are not saying that, but it sure seems like it if we're arguing about technicalities.

Hm ... yes it was explained in game. At least from my recollection.

When you enter a housing district, either first time or after you get your house (I wanna say this but I could be wrong on the timing) you get a pop up window explaining about house demolition. From the wiki, where it states the demo timer was put in place during Patch 3.1:

Reclamation of Inactive Housing

To ensure that plots of land are not claimed and left unused, estates not accessed for extended periods of time will be automatically demolished, and the plots of land will be put back up for sale.

Reclamation of Inactive Housing was released in patch 3.1.

Estates Subject to Demolishing

Free company housing that has not been accessed by at least one member within 45 days.
Private housing that has not been accessed by the owner within 45 days.
Purchased plots of land upon which an estate has not been built within 45 days.

Steps Prior to Demolishing

30 days of inactivity: A notification indicating that the estate is being prepared for auto-demolition will appear in the Timers interface in the Duty tab of the Main Menu.

35 days of inactivity: An e-mail will be delivered to the registered e-mail addresses of all free company members, or the owner of a private estate, indicating the estate is being prepared for auto-demolition.

42 days of inactivity: An e-mail will be delivered to the registered e-mail addresses of all free company members, or the owner of a private estate, indicating that the estate will be demolished automatically in three days.

45 days of inactivity: The estate will be automatically demolished.

Halting Demolition

Any free company member or private housing owner entering the estate at any time prior to demolition will cancel the demolition process.

After Demolition

When an estate has been demolished, or the rights to an empty plot have been relinquished, said plot will be made available for purchase to all players on that World. The price will decrease every six hours from the time at which it is made available for purchase.

Reclaiming Gil and Items

When an estate has been demolished, gil and certain furnishings will be placed in the care of the resident caretaker for a fixed period of time.

Redeemable from the Resident Caretaker:

80% of the price paid for the estate grounds.
Indoor and outdoor furnishings that are not destroyed upon removal.
Not Redeemable from the Resident Caretaker:

The construction permit required to build an estate.

Furnishings destroyed upon removal.

Housing exteriors.
Private chambers.
Company workshops and any registered airships in the workshop.

Players will have thirty-five days to redeem items from the resident caretaker before they are made irredeemable. Items belonging to a free company estate can only be retrieved by members with the authorization to purchase or relinquish land. Items belonging to a private estate can only be retrieved by the owner.

[Fhaerron]

I'm not sure what I do different then.

I got my first house back last year when they released Kugane housing. I already knew that there is a demolisher and you can loose your house if you don't step inside at least once in a set amount of day.
The info is displayed everywhere.

I play WoW serious, that's a game I keep maximum info on. This game I play casual and I don't actively do search up on stuff. Yet somehow Iknew this and you as the amazing 100% devoted fan didn't know, I found that a bit weird.

I've only recently started to watch the live letters and those were the ones about SB before release. I've been playing since 2014 and back then I didn't check the site or forum at all.