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[Raskbuck]

SE sent an email and put a timer on the cooldowns list. That's more than enough, and anything they add on top of that is still going to get another layer of "why didn't they tell me when..." added on. If people are playing so little their house blows up, it doesn't matter what messaging square puts in the game, it'll get missed.

If anything, square needs to reduce the grace period so people start treating housing as what it is: transitory.

Didn’t you say earlier that it wasn’t your problem? Why are you so against having an additional warning or further in-game explanations?

The timer doesn’t even appear until your house has 15 days away from being demolished. At the very least it should be there at all times.

[Penthea]

Didn’t you say earlier that it wasn’t your problem? Why are you so against having an additional warning or further in-game explanations?

The timer doesn’t even appear until your house has 15 days away from being demolished. At the very least it should be there at all times.

I rarely have seen comments say "the way the demolition mechanic is explained in the game is fine". They keep saying "personal responsibility" or "you should always google everything". They keep saying players need to assume SE's in-game help messages are unhelpful. That in order to get by we need to be paranoid that SE left out something very important. It is truly baffling that anyone regards this as acceptable.

And it's funny to see "but the timer is in the timers window" because it's obvious they don't know how the whole mechanic works either. The demolition timer is invisible for the majority of its duration. What good is an invisible ui element to anyone? How can anyone argue this is a helpful hint to the presence of demolition? I encountered loads of people who thought they were looking for the timer in the wrong place because of this.

[Skivvy]

And it's funny to see "but the timer is in the timers window" because it's obvious they don't know how the whole mechanic works either. The demolition timer is invisible for the majority of its duration. What good is an invisible ui element to anyone? How can anyone argue this is a helpful hint to the presence of demolition? I encountered loads of people who thought they were looking for the timer in the wrong place because of this.

I have a house, and while I knew about the demo timer in general, I didn't realize there was a place to check in-game for it. So this morning I thought I'd check it out once I was done patching, and this is all I see:


This isn't exactly helpful. Up until Raskbuck's post above, I didn't realize it would remain blank until 15 days or less until demo. This would probably be a fantastic spot to put some quick information regarding the demolition / item reclamation time frame, as well as maybe an active timer or some other notice.

[Claviusnex]

I have a house, and while I knew about the demo timer in general, I didn't realize there was a place to check in-game for it. So this morning I thought I'd check it out once I was done patching, and this is all I see:


This isn't exactly helpful. Up until Raskbuck's post above, I didn't realize it would remain blank until 15 days or less until demo. This would probably be a fantastic spot to put some quick information regarding the demolition / item reclamation time frame, as well as maybe an active timer or some other notice.

Yep there are some other threads about having the timer show all of the time and go red at 15 days. Even that gets push back about responsibility, it won't help me and not wanting UI changes even though it is already there. I just don't get why so many folks in the player base jump all over suggestions that only provide more information and don't affect them one iota.

[Alleo]

But just because SE does not do something now does not mean they will never do it in the future at all. Its just strange to see people argue against it even when it would not even hurt them. You say that you dont find it acceptable yet argued quite a bit on how its kinda our fault because information outside the game exists. So if you are not fine with the situation why even argue against it at all?

SE probably not doing something is imo not a good reason to say that people should not discuss it or want it (not directly meant at you btw) or even be against a better solution. Maybe they wont change something but the OP was told by a GM to post their opinion and maybe just maybe there is a little hope that it will reach their ear and if not then we have at least done everything we could do.

[ko_]

But just because SE does not do something now does not mean they will never do it in the future at all. Its just strange to see people argue against it even when it would not even hurt them. You say that you dont find it acceptable yet argued quite a bit on how its kinda our fault because information outside the game exists. So if you are not fine with the situation why even argue against it at all?

SE probably not doing something is imo not a good reason to say that people should not discuss it or want it (not directly meant at you btw) or even be against a better solution. Maybe they wont change something but the OP was told by a GM to post their opinion and maybe just maybe there is a little hope that it will reach their ear and if not then we have at least done everything we could do.

I mean in the OP case it is his fault. This is entirely his fault. He's is not blameless in this case at all. I'm not saying SE is blameless but I'm sick of people throwing AL kinds of care away cause - SE is evil and I'm mad so they ruined EVERYTHING- thought process. At some point we as players HAVE to own up to our own mistakes. And this is one of those cases where OP is at fault. And YES it's cause the imformation IS out there. IT DOES exist and because it does and he's the only person in this thread and maybe the whole game who didn't know about demo timeers when he's been playing for over a 1000 DAYS? THAT is what I was debating cause it doesn't make sense. And no amount of telling me his excuses will make it make sense. See myt sonic example on why. But thats why I keptt saying JUST cause I believe SE needs better systems does NOT mean I blieve op is not at fault cause he IS. Even with everything in place.. all he had to do was google. And until SE changes something yes you going to be expected to go out of game to get your info otherwise shame on you.

[Skivvy]

I mean in the OP case it is his fault. This is entirely his fault. He's is not blameless in this case at all. I'm not saying SE is blameless but I'm sick of people throwing AL kinds of care away cause - SE is evil and I'm mad so they ruined EVERYTHING- thought process. At some point we as players HAVE to own up to our own mistakes. And this is one of those cases where OP is at fault. And YES it's cause the imformation IS out there. IT DOES exist and because it does and he's the only person in this thread and maybe the whole game who didn't know about demo timeers when he's been playing for over a 1000 DAYS? THAT is what I was debating cause it doesn't make sense. And no amount of telling me his excuses will make it make sense. See myt sonic example on why. But thats why I keptt saying JUST cause I believe SE needs better systems does NOT mean I blieve op is not at fault cause he IS. Even with everything in place.. all he had to do was google. And until SE changes something yes you going to be expected to go out of game to get your info otherwise shame on you.

When we play this game, we do not sign a waiver stating that we will search out all producer notes, live letters, patch notes, etc. It is not the responsibility of a player to actively search for information outside of the game that they play. If the game is not providing sufficient information in-game, that is a failing of the developers.

Yes, of course you can learn far more by doing outside research, but the fact of the matter is that it is not a requirement to play this game. SE's inability to properly warn players in-game of the demolition / reclamation process is entirely on their hands. This is the only content that you can lose permanently, and they do a horrible job of letting you know that. Did you see that screenshot I posted above? If I somehow did not know about the demolition process, what exactly am I going to learn from that screen?

This thread, if nothing else, will hopefully open SE's eyes to the fact that they need to improve on this particular issue. As others have mentioned, they have obnoxious pop-ups for far less important things (e.g. achievements, which you can't even hide..). There is really no excuse for them to not be more diligent on the housing notifications.

[ko_]

When we play this game, we do not sign a waiver stating that we will search out all producer notes, live letters, patch notes, etc. It is not the responsibility of a player to actively search for information outside of the game that they play. If the game is not providing sufficient information in-game, that is a failing of the developers.

Yes, of course you can learn far more by doing outside research, but the fact of the matter is that it is not a requirement to play this game. SE's inability to properly warn players in-game of the demolition / reclamation process is entirely on their hands. This is the only content that you can lose permanently, and they do a horrible job of letting you know that. Did you see that screenshot I posted above? If I somehow did not know about the demolition process, what exactly am I going to learn from that screen?

This thread, if nothing else, will hopefully open SE's eyes to the fact that they need to improve on this particular issue. As others have mentioned, they have obnoxious pop-ups for far less important things (e.g. achievements, which you can't even hide..). There is really no excuse for them to not be more diligent on the housing notifications.

Go into a raid with that logic, play black mage with that logic.. do anything else outside of housing with that logic want watch what happens. And no I don't mean on day 1. I mean when you have over 1000 plus days on whatever it is and telling peoople that. See where that gets you. See how people let you their groups with open arms and s. I'll wait. :/ You see whats wrong here? SE can do a million things and none of it changes what happened. Stop defending someone being lazy. He has well over A THOUSAND playing hours. In an mmo, you mean to tell me he's innoccent for NOT doing ANY kind of research? How in the world did he miss ALL the info being mentioned about the timers. IN FOUR POINT TWO????!!!?! SERIOUSLY? I dunno.. Sorry but I'mma have to agree to disagree here. there's nothing you can tell me to change my mind.. OP is def at fault here. I already said SE needs better stuff but THAT doesn't mean OP isn't at fault for NOT paying attention. Sorry.

[Skivvy]

Go into a raid with that logic, play black mage with that logic.. do anything else outside of housing with that logic want watch what happens. And no I don't mean on day 1. I mean when you have over 1000 plus days on whatever it is and telling peoople that. See where that gets you. See how people let you their groups with open arms and s. I'll wait. :/ You see whats wrong here? SE can do a million things and none of it changes what happened. Stop defending someone being lazy. He has well over A THOUSAND playing hours. In an mmo, you mean to tell me he's innoccent for NOT doing ANY kind of research? How in the world did he miss ALL the info being mentioned about the timers. IN FOUR POINT TWO????!!!?! SERIOUSLY? I dunno.. Sorry but I'mma have to agree to disagree here. there's nothing you can tell me to change my mind.. OP is def at fault here. I already said SE needs better stuff but THAT doesn't mean OP isn't at fault for NOT paying attention. Sorry.

You can absolutely do raiding without any outside research. You have your tooltips. You can slowly get through it with trial and error. How do you think people that get World Firsts manage? There are no guides for new content, and yet they manage to clear it. So that argument doesn't work at all.

Also, OP has already said several times they are not blaming SE. They are trying to bring awareness and share their thoughts as the GM suggested.

[Alleo]

Go into a raid with that logic, play black mage with that logic.. do anything else outside of housing with that logic want watch what happens.

The person that first writes the guide that will help others does not have one themselves and can still clear these things and get every information ingame. Heck I would dare and say that most people just read guides because they dont want to take the time to learn it themselves. (And there is nothing wrong with that because not everyone can do all the maths and calculate the perfect rotation - I suck at maths for example) But lets not pretend that the game would otherwise be unplayable. People can and did beat raids or learn their job without one. The problem is that not reading it up and playing badly does not take something away from the game. It does not delete your armor or any other hard work. So all the informations you get ingame are enough to play it and most of the time its enough to play it quite well, everything else is just for those that want to go beyond that.

Housing demolishing is a basic information, necessary to even own a house for a long time. (Because a lot of people probably do take breaks) Thus it should have all the information ingame. And again the OP has already stated that they dont blame the timer but that it would be better to have more notifications because it can happen to miss it all and because emails can be lost (I never received mine either but thankfully I knew when to get bacK). In the end his biggest problem was the destruction of all his housing items and that should be a No Go.

So yes he is at fault but that does not stop SE from taking part of the blame by not providing a good tutorial ingame and it definetely does not give them a free pass for the destruction of items. And no matter if the OP is at fault or not, this could happen to more people and simple solutions could stop any cases from happening in the future. And by posting their case they maybe have brought some attention to it.