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  1. #31
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    Penthea's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic-Mal View Post
    No no I was countering what you said with the fact that alot of glamours can be bought in a RL mall(women's section). That was my point of the OP, that male character lack those simple things like a polo or a dress shirt.
    Well I'd love to live where you do. I'd have serious problems finding even 10% of the glam only gear where I live. I could get the quaintrelle's dress but only in children's sizes, the uggs for definite, but the matching coat and the cropped leather jacket are only a maybe. The shorts? Couldn't find a plain pair to save my life this summer or last summer. They were all distressed or had sequins. I'd probably have to order a legit aran jumper from back home. Absolutely forget about the ala mhigan gown unless I buy something plain and add the fringes myself.

    I don't disagree that SE should expand on male fashion, but I think you'll find not everyone is located in a place where they can easily purchase most of the female glam clothing in real life.
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  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    The shirt from that set in particular you won't see too often in feminine designs, and the pants actually follow more closely older fashions for men. Also keep in mind the overall aesthetic of that set. It's frills. And these are not, er, feminine frills. If you say frills in general are feminine that's another debate, but given the frills requirement, I wouldn't call this feminine, per-se.

    Bunny suit is a nice example of this as well.
    In a way I disagree because in many ways SE had to keep the designs as-is for the simple matter that they'd be skewing things in the other direction. The Gambler set began as male-locked, then was made unisex while maintaining its original design. By giving us a Bunny suit that differed from the original designs, they'd be creating a 'debt' to the female glamour side in regards to the Gold Saucer glamours.
    In a way I couldn't agree more. Them being incapable of so much as shrinking the bow which was obviously designed to go along with breasts, instead of something that would better fit male pecs, is truly proof of how much they wanted to get this out of the way.
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  3. #33
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    Didn't the Ao Dai come from a different region anyways...?
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  4. #34
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    Malina Loma
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    Didn't the Ao Dai come from a different region anyways...?
    Nope. The Ao Dai was just a random crafted glamour they came out with in.. 4.1? Or 4.05? Or was it 4.15... one of those.
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  5. #35
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    So the main difference seems to be the length and fittedness? The man in the second picture doesn’t look too far off the game design to me, other than the fantail back added to both gender designs.

    The real female designs actually look more fitted than the game version.

    For reference, some pictures I’d previously uploaded of one of my characters wearing it:





    I feel like it’s halfway between the male and female designs you posted? (With the collar shape, looser fit around the shoulders, and the length is more like the male version than the ankle-length female version.)

    It’s like for some reason they’ve gone with one design halfway between the two gender-specific originals. And then made them different anyway for some reason.
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    Last edited by Iscah; 09-15-2018 at 08:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    The shirt from that set in particular you won't see too often in feminine designs, and the pants actually follow more closely older fashions for men. Also keep in mind the overall aesthetic of that set. It's frills. And these are not, er, feminine frills. If you say frills in general are feminine that's another debate, but given the frills requirement, I wouldn't call this feminine, per-se.



    In a way I disagree because in many ways SE had to keep the designs as-is for the simple matter that they'd be skewing things in the other direction. The Gambler set began as male-locked, then was made unisex while maintaining its original design. By giving us a Bunny suit that differed from the original designs, they'd be creating a 'debt' to the female glamour side in regards to the Gold Saucer glamours.
    In a way I couldn't agree more. Them being incapable of so much as shrinking the bow which was obviously designed to go along with breasts, instead of something that would better fit male pecs, is truly proof of how much they wanted to get this out of the way.
    I actually really like the guy's version of the Quaintrelle shirt. Shame I don't see it used much D: And in regards to the pants, I can see your point as well. Perhaps they were channeling some 16th century designs with the poofy pants, and added frills to keep in the spirit of the outfit. I was looking at it more just by itself originally, and my initial reaction was just 'WTF SE'.

    Also, I totally forgot that the Gambler's set started as male only. X:

    If they are going to continue the trend of doing unisex hair/outfits, I just really wish they'd take the time to modify them a little bit more based on the gender and race in question.
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    Sweaters are only for women? Mind blown.
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  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    So the main difference seems to be the length and fittedness? The man in the second picture doesn’t look too far off the game design to me, other than the fantail back added to both gender designs.

    The real female designs actually look more fitted than the game version.

    For reference, some pictures I’d previously uploaded of one of my characters wearing it:





    I feel like it’s halfway between the male and female designs you posted? (With the collar shape, looser fit around the shoulders, and the length is more like the male version than the ankle-length female version.)

    It’s like for some reason they’ve gone with one design halfway between the two gender-specific originals. And then made them different anyway for some reason.
    It's definitely the female version. They just rendered it weirdly. Take a close look at the women. They wear a 3 piece set. Ao Dai(dress), Quan(the pants), and Non La(Hat), although the women in the photo I uploaded were simply holding their Non La. The women also tend to have floral design similar to what we have but they don't have to though.

    The men, from what I could see, don't wear Quan or use Non Las. I honestly don't know what their pieces are called. Maybe they have the same name. But the style we have now is the female version for sure.
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    Jupp looks female...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Good talk, all. Glad we had it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Floortank View Post
    Sweaters are only for women? Mind blown.
    That is definitely not what I meant and you know it. But thanks for reminding that I forgot that part in my edits.
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