Seriously, If You're Only Going To Create Designs For Women, Just Genderlock

[Magic-Mal]

The Ala Mhigan gown and Ao Dai are the only feminine-not-unisex examples from your original post, in my opinion. (But how much variation is there in real Ao Dai designs? Just because you’ve shown one image doesn’t demonstrate that they never look like that. A picture comparing male and female versions would be helpful.)

Sure thing!

[Iscah]

Sure thing!

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So the main difference seems to be the length and fittedness? The man in the second picture doesn’t look too far off the game design to me, other than the fantail back added to both gender designs.

The real female designs actually look more fitted than the game version.

For reference, some pictures I’d previously uploaded of one of my characters wearing it:





I feel like it’s halfway between the male and female designs you posted? (With the collar shape, looser fit around the shoulders, and the length is more like the male version than the ankle-length female version.)

It’s like for some reason they’ve gone with one design halfway between the two gender-specific originals. And then made them different anyway for some reason.

[Magic-Mal]

So the main difference seems to be the length and fittedness? The man in the second picture doesn’t look too far off the game design to me, other than the fantail back added to both gender designs.

The real female designs actually look more fitted than the game version.

For reference, some pictures I’d previously uploaded of one of my characters wearing it:





I feel like it’s halfway between the male and female designs you posted? (With the collar shape, looser fit around the shoulders, and the length is more like the male version than the ankle-length female version.)

It’s like for some reason they’ve gone with one design halfway between the two gender-specific originals. And then made them different anyway for some reason.

It's definitely the female version. They just rendered it weirdly. Take a close look at the women. They wear a 3 piece set. Ao Dai(dress), Quan(the pants), and Non La(Hat), although the women in the photo I uploaded were simply holding their Non La. The women also tend to have floral design similar to what we have but they don't have to though.

The men, from what I could see, don't wear Quan or use Non Las. I honestly don't know what their pieces are called. Maybe they have the same name. But the style we have now is the female version for sure.

[Skivvy]

First off, let me apologize that these pictures are so small. Could only do the preview option on my guy.






Out of the market board glams, these are probably the worst offenders as far as coming off rather feminine. The sweater isn't really that bad, but including it as it's been talked about quite a bit up above :P

I think the bigger issue I have with SE and their designs is that it all just comes off as lazy to me. I've played games that have fantastic versions of an item for both males and females. The gear looks like it was actually designed for each gender, and it's customized to fit their bodies. With the items posted, it seems that they designed them more with females in mind, and then did minimal tweaks, if any, to hand over to the guys. Bunny suit is a nice example of this as well.

[BillyKaplan]

The shirt from that set in particular you won't see too often in feminine designs, and the pants actually follow more closely older fashions for men. Also keep in mind the overall aesthetic of that set. It's frills. And these are not, er, feminine frills. If you say frills in general are feminine that's another debate, but given the frills requirement, I wouldn't call this feminine, per-se.

Bunny suit is a nice example of this as well.

In a way I disagree because in many ways SE had to keep the designs as-is for the simple matter that they'd be skewing things in the other direction. The Gambler set began as male-locked, then was made unisex while maintaining its original design. By giving us a Bunny suit that differed from the original designs, they'd be creating a 'debt' to the female glamour side in regards to the Gold Saucer glamours.
In a way I couldn't agree more. Them being incapable of so much as shrinking the bow which was obviously designed to go along with breasts, instead of something that would better fit male pecs, is truly proof of how much they wanted to get this out of the way.

[Skivvy]

The shirt from that set in particular you won't see too often in feminine designs, and the pants actually follow more closely older fashions for men. Also keep in mind the overall aesthetic of that set. It's frills. And these are not, er, feminine frills. If you say frills in general are feminine that's another debate, but given the frills requirement, I wouldn't call this feminine, per-se.



In a way I disagree because in many ways SE had to keep the designs as-is for the simple matter that they'd be skewing things in the other direction. The Gambler set began as male-locked, then was made unisex while maintaining its original design. By giving us a Bunny suit that differed from the original designs, they'd be creating a 'debt' to the female glamour side in regards to the Gold Saucer glamours.
In a way I couldn't agree more. Them being incapable of so much as shrinking the bow which was obviously designed to go along with breasts, instead of something that would better fit male pecs, is truly proof of how much they wanted to get this out of the way.

I actually really like the guy's version of the Quaintrelle shirt. Shame I don't see it used much D: And in regards to the pants, I can see your point as well. Perhaps they were channeling some 16th century designs with the poofy pants, and added frills to keep in the spirit of the outfit. I was looking at it more just by itself originally, and my initial reaction was just 'WTF SE'.

Also, I totally forgot that the Gambler's set started as male only. X:

If they are going to continue the trend of doing unisex hair/outfits, I just really wish they'd take the time to modify them a little bit more based on the gender and race in question.

[alimdia]

The regular sweater is definitely unisex, the one with the scarf leans more towards the feminine side, so overall I agree with these

First off, let me apologize that these pictures are so small. Could only do the preview option on my guy.

So the main difference seems to be the length and fittedness? The man in the second picture doesn’t look too far off the game design to me, other than the fantail back added to both gender designs.

"Fittedness" is a big factor on how feminine it looks.

[Sigma-Astra]

I honestly don't get the problem, but maybe because in this day and age....I've had to spend money on black pants meant for guys with deeper pockets in them because the black pants they make for women suck and apparently, we're not allowed to have deep pockets!

Men have weird sizing for their pants though, I mean, I get why and all...but it's just weird...lol.

[Magic-Mal]

I honestly don't get the problem, but maybe because in this day and age....I've had to spend money on black pants meant for guys with deeper pockets in them because the black pants they make for women suck and apparently, we're not allowed to have deep pockets!

Men have weird sizing for their pants though, I mean, I get why and all...but it's just weird...lol.

Pockets!? Get out of here with that heresy! How are butts supposed to look good with pockets!? Think about the important issues.

The sweater can be masculine, if we are talking about JP fashion. There's a movement called "Mori," which emphasizes layering, earth tones, and understated fashion. Mori girl and Mori boy. Mori means "forest."

A good blog post defining Mori boy style.

I think jp fashion has a heavier element on costuming than western stuff, and it borrows a lot from foreign trends as much as they innovate themselves. Here is a lovely slideshow by google arts and culture showing some of the trends.. This isn't as much of an issue in the west; i mean, stuff like classic punk is close to it, but I don't think it's as much of a force now.

I do think Magic Mal has a point. Unisex is ok, but they do need more masculine unisex options as well.

That 1988 Shibuya casual style looks very close to the new spring set we have now.. she's just wearing full jeans instead of shorts.

[Sigma-Astra]

Didn't the Ao Dai come from a different region anyways...?