This Needs to Be Said

[KaivaC]

I'm sorry in advance, but having just fully returned recently and now seeing the news, I really need to get this off my chest. What is it with the devs and their obsession with Diadem-like gameplay? What is with this vision of theirs about this that they keep beating it into the player base?

“3rd times the charm.”

No, 3rd time is definitely not the charm.

Neither was the 4th time, and neither will be the 5th time.

3rd time was only manageable because, honestly, this was one of the most socialized experiences with such a large and diverse group of players. We helped each other. Still do in fact. We joked and chatted about anything and everything. For the most part, we stuck together and even today, still bring the low level players with us because all of us inside of Anemos were in this together. Then Pagos came along. Now, I haven’t touched Pagos myself, but from all accounts, it’s unnecessarily anti-Anemos. Too much grinding, from what I understand, with a healthy dose of RNG splattered in.

Now we get Pyros, and we get even more RNG added once we get our prize.

I don’t get it. Was being universally panned 4 times not good enough for the devs? They have to insult their playerbase by doing this yet again? How clear do players have to make it?

The playerbase. Hates. Diadem.

If you’d actually communicated with us on at least a semi-regular basis, or were open to actual feedback instead of pre-generated messages, maybe you guys would see that players do not like to have their free time insulted by a game we already have to pay to play. How many times do you have to be told that this type of content irritates your players?

Simply put, stop taking players for granted. Respect our time. Don’t insult our fondness for FFXIV. This borderline obsession , and really, some of the decisions made during this whole expansion, is just going to further alienate your audience. Seriously. The devs need to pick it up and get in touch with modern audiences.

[TheGrimace]

I don't know how many times we have to tell them before they listen to us.

[Aylis]

I don't know how many times we have to tell them before they listen to us.

Best thing to do is just avoid doing the content all together. I'm not defending them in the slightest but history shows they take all the suggestions put in the suggestion box and just toss them out. The only things they do listen to is when their data shows the content is nearly barren, or when sub numbers take a huge loss.

As long as their data shows people are doing the content, weither the players actually want to do it or if its even fun to the players. It doesn't matter to them. As long as they see lots pf players doing it, they consider it to be a success and the trend continues.

[Kallera]

NO MORE DIADEM


Community reps, please take this and show this to the devs, place it on yoshi P's desk, word it clear, concise and loudly and often! NO MORE DIADEM.

[Deceptus]

And yet there will still be people who defend this nonsense.

[MuseTraveller]

And yet there will still be people who defend this nonsense.

Of course people will defend it because we're lazy casuals who want the relic and any content handed to us, right?

[TheMightyMollusk]

Of course people will defend it because we're lazy casuals who want the relic and any content handed to us, right?

What do casuals have to do with Pagos? It is extremely, aggressively, painfully anti-casual.

[Caitlyn]

What do casuals have to do with Pagos? It is extremely, aggressively, painfully anti-casual.

Maybe there are tons of definition what a casual might be. For me, casuals are players who may not be skilled enough for savage, but still skilled enough for at least a bit challenging (not hard) content. Who said that every casual player love to doing a boring and long grind? Especially those players, who dont have that much time.

The whole relic questline could a least more fun, if you mix a bit open world grind with a bit challenge in it. Not that much time consuming, no instanced areas, no long tedious grinds and especially no damn RNG.

Just a small idea for a alternative relic quest step:

You can buy a book with tomes (100 per book), but you only can have one per kind in your inventory.
Each book comes in 4 kinds: Blue, Green, Yellow and Red. Each book comes with 5 random objectives (depending on its color), but you only need to complete 3 of them.

• Blue books (the book of grind) can be completed by completing a specific amount of dungeons/raids/fates/pvp/whatever.
• Green books (the book of monsters) can be completed by finding specific open world monsters. Only hints are given you have to make a snapshot from them.
• Yellow books (the book of collection) can be completed by collecting and/or crafting specific items. You only need to have them in your inventory until you finished your book.
• Red books (the book of challenge) can be completed by defeating some extreme primals.

For a weapon, you have to complete 10 books, no matter which kind. Armor parts need to complete 5 books.

[Luna-M]

Maybe there are tons of definition what a casual might be. For me, casuals are players who may not be skilled enough for savage, but still skilled enough for at least a bit challenging (not hard) content. Who said that every casual player love to doing a boring and long grind? Especially those players, who dont have that much time.

The whole relic questline could a least more fun, if you mix a bit open world grind with a bit challenge in it. Not that much time consuming, no instanced areas, no long tedious grinds and especially no damn RNG.

Just a small idea for a alternative relic quest step:

You can buy a book with tomes (100 per book), but you only can have one per kind in your inventory.
Each book comes in 4 kinds: Blue, Green, Yellow and Red. Each book comes with 5 random objectives (depending on its color), but you only need to complete 3 of them.

• Blue books (the book of grind) can be completed by completing a specific amount of dungeons/raids/fates/pvp/whatever.
• Green books (the book of monsters) can be completed by finding specific open world monsters. Only hints are given you have to make a snapshot from them.
• Yellow books (the book of collection) can be completed by collecting and/or crafting specific items. You only need to have them in your inventory until you finished your book.
• Red books (the book of challenge) can be completed by defeating some extreme primals.

For a weapon, you have to complete 10 books, no matter which kind. Armor parts need to complete 5 books.

so ARR books more or less

[TheMightyMollusk]

Maybe there are tons of definition what a casual might be. For me, casuals are players who may not be skilled enough for savage, but still skilled enough for at least a bit challenging (not hard) content. Who said that every casual player love to doing a boring and long grind? Especially those players, who dont have that much time.

The problem is that Pagos isn't really challenging. It's tedious, time-consuming, repetitive, and kinda boring, but it's really just Anemos with less forgiveness for mistakes. Plus some dragons thrown in just to screw with people. There's dozens of threads about it already, but it's really hard to deny that Pagos is not casual friendly in any way.