So now contest prizes can be bought?

[Mizunoko]

If you don't agree with it, you don't have to buy it. It's optional. Isn't the the excuse so many SE white knight fan boys like to trot out whenever something controversial is released by SE?

Same thing regarding these items. If it offends your sensibilities so much, don't buy them. But it's not your place to tell other people what they should or should not enjoy.

"If you don't agree with it, you don't have to buy it. It's optional." <-----if everyone took that advice from you then i would assume theres a chance SE would loose a good portion of profit from it. Be careful what you suggest to others

[RiyahArp]

It has a trend of destroying the significance of any trophy's and achievements players do earn by essentially handing them out to everyone and that in turn destroys any sense of value they have.

Has this gotten players to do Feast? (exclusive things as rewards over nine seasons) no.
Is it getting them do to Hunts? (exclusive mount) No, I come across a-ranks unmolested whenever I gather.
Ex trials and Savage? (exclusive weapons, gear, mounts.) Not particularly in large numbers. Most people would argue its something you do ins pite of rewards really.
Ultimate? No.

I mean, the bigger problem is rewards as incentives in general don't work, not that they hand them out like candy. You do stuff in this game more as something to do, more than they value the rewards. And they have no real value anyways, in fact the rarer the uglier they often are.

[Mizunoko]

I can see where people are coming from with regards to NOT wanting these things to be available to everyone, but I also think the Goobbue earring is absolutely adorable so I'm happy to hear that I'll be able to get one ^_^

The best way to ease the heat on the topic would be to give the non-prize items a different name to the prize items, just so people who've won a contest can display that fact while others get to wear cute clothes that make them happy.

Exactly, and theres no good reasons for anyone to dissagree with this. So what if the name is slightly different or color is. I mean if you still have an issue after that, then to those people wanting it apparently they lied and it wasn't simply about having the item, it was about ruining its exclusivity to the people who worked for it. In which case i will say this "get off the forums trolls"

[Nariel]

It’s not exclusive though. It was always available. If you entered any contest here on the forums you literally could have won it.

Yup, they where gifts, bonus reward with a certain emotional value to the winner.

Won't cry a river if someone buy a coffee cup I eventually win in "whatever random contest", its still a cup I win and he/she will have a cup he/she find nice.

All I can see its people complaigning about items they probably will never notice on somebody else cause they don't care more than others care about an earring cause you barely see them at all. Its about personal emotional value they put in it. Sooooo... Whatever, let people have their cute little item and brag about how you get it as a prize.

[Darrcyphfeid]

Has this gotten players to do Feast? (exclusive things as rewards over nine seasons) no.

False. It did get people to do the Feast. When they made the two minions (Faepup and Hellpup) available again via achievements, people did Feast then too. When they released Garo, people did Frontlines and Feast in droves. Some people are still plucking away at Garo stuff, or at the very least still running around with the titles equipped.

Is it getting them do to Hunts? (exclusive mount) No, I come across a-ranks unmolested whenever I gather.

False. Many fights have arisen over the hunts, and there was (still is on some servers, probably) trolling/poaching happening because of the Centurio Tiger.

Do people care so much about SB A Ranks that, if nothing else, take longer to kill outside of hunt season? Probably not.

Ex trials and Savage? (exclusive weapons, gear, mounts.) Not particularly in large numbers. Most people would argue its something you do ins pite of rewards really.

Way, way false. The only reason people do EX Primals is because of the mounts, with a select few doing them for desynth or Gil (craft material) purposes. Hunting the ARR horses was one of the main attractions in the downtime leading up to HW release.

You do stuff in this game more as something to do, more than they value the rewards.

Nah man, ain't nobody doing 90% of the stuff in this game for the stuff in the game. They're doing it for what rewards they get - Tomestones, minions, mounts, glamours, gear.

[RiyahArp]

False. It did get people to do the Feast.

Nope, Feast has been hardcore dead even with Garo. Garo only required Feast participation for one mount, with 20 wins. Most of the rewards were gotten easier with Frontlines.

Do people care so much about SB A Ranks that, if nothing else, take longer to kill outside of hunt season? Probably not.

...you need 3000 A ranks to get the tiger. Also it's all A-ranks, I been gathering in ARR zones too.

Way, way false. The only reason people do EX Primals is because of the mounts, with a select few doing them for desynth or Gil (craft material) purposes. Hunting the ARR horses was one of the main attractions in the downtime leading up to HW release.


Nah man, ain't nobody doing 90% of the stuff in this game for the stuff in the game. They're doing it for what rewards they get - Tomestones, minions, mounts, glamours, gear.

The mounts are just pallete swaps. None of them have any added functionality, even compared to holiday mounts, and virtually every ex primal's participation quickly tapers off in 2 weeks. Even unsynced, you're still not seeing a lot of people doing them for the mounts. To expand though, I mean the mounts and exclusive haven't been a real draw to populate the mode. Even the exclusive God Kefka fight hasn't really increased desire to do it I think; i notice in PF the pug requests have been more or less consistent in number all of SB. There's rarely a time when they get up to 3 pages in Primal for example.

As for tomes...its literally something to do. You can do just about anything as a casual with crafted armor or the initial tier armor; the highest tome stuff is not going to really help anything. The tome armor actually isn't useful in any real sense; even now I can just use my augmented 360 armor as a tank in most casual content, and be fine. the 10 ilvl really isn't a carrot, because its gains are so modest that they may as well not be there for some. The only real exception are crafting and gathering armor.

I mean, you play the things more because you find them fun. This is Pagos in a nutshell, isn't it? The rewards aren't enough. The Boss Fates for example are the same, they all give nice rewards but no one does them.

[Sakuraluna]

Yup, they where gifts, bonus reward with a certain emotional value to the winner.

Won't cry a river if someone buy a coffee cup I eventually win in "whatever random contest", its still a cup I win and he/she will have a cup he/she find nice.

All I can see its people complaigning about items they probably will never notice on somebody else cause they don't care more than others care about an earring cause you barely see them at all. Its about personal emotional value they put in it. Sooooo... Whatever, let people have their cute little item and brag about how you get it as a prize.

Your previous statement was that people were upset over an exclusive being made unexclusive. I was correcting you; it’s not exclusive and has been available for years. You’re thinking of this in the same mindframe of the white ravens where their release is diminishing their worth as an exclusive shiny that only those who had it from x moment in the game’s history should ever have access to it, while I view it as closer to players doing recently-added content, some even hardcore content, only to wake up the next morning to find it being sold on a moogle for 30 Gil (The scarf was even set to be distributed to the newly-announced winners of the most recent contest). Not the same thing obviously, but imo a bit more similar in value.

Realistically, you’d eventually start to think, what’s the point. I can either put in the effort now, or spend the 30 Gil in a day or so, and in a game that is already designed around steep vertical progression, it not only diminishes the value of the item, but it diminishes the value of gameplay itself. I don’t think it would have mattered at all if the playerbase were made aware of these reward changes far enough ahead of time, and/or if the moogle sold a “replica” of the item. They definitely shouldn’t have left current contest winners scrambling to select a different reward. That just seems disrespectful to the player base.

It’s not about the item. It’s not about the exclusivity. It’s about taking a reward that people were actively working toward and without warning, handing it out to everybody for minimal cost and effort.

[Lissandra]

I assume the scarf is on there because almost no one picks that as a reward when entering contests.

[Ramesses]

I assume the scarf is on there because almost no one picks that as a reward when entering contests.

You know, I'm beginning to think likewise... almost every contest has the face scarf as a prize and it does not seem to be a particularly popular favourite.

[Nihility]

are those contest prizes? I seem to have all of them but the moogle and never entered a contest