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  1. #61
    Player RiyahArp's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcaneCarbuncle View Post
    Except these Infos aren't directly from SE but from Interviews with japanese news outlets SE has otherwise little control over. I also don't see how this is even changing my point that people are simply jumping the gun here - and not for the first time.)
    I agree with all your points in general, but the problem is that Japanese companies in general need to stop doing the JP first mentality. Like you publish these long, in-depth interviews in Dengeki, you need to translate them also because they are useful for the entire playerbase. It's like if Overwatch only did dev interviews and disccussions in French. You can't rely on fan translations and works, or in general focus only on 1/3rd of your playerbase. I don't mean altering the game, but at least the flow of information you can normalize a bit more, to prevent stuff like this.

    I'd go a little further and say JP need to seriously think about expanding their magazine culture in some form to the west, probably via website. They kind of lack serious mindshare in the west, and western games increasingly are what drives many console sales.
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    Last edited by RiyahArp; 09-16-2018 at 10:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaiyoShikasu View Post
    Never finished Anemos. Get on my level.
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    Are they going to fix pagos?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    Are they going to fix pagos?
    At this rate it's as "fixed" as it's ever going to be. I don't think they'll nerf it once the next expansion's relic quests start either because f*** the players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    Are they going to fix pagos?
    Relic books (Skyfire, etc) are still misery in digital form. Take that as you will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    I agree with all your points in general, but the problem is that Japanese companies in general need to stop doing the JP first mentality. Like you publish these long, in-depth interviews in Dengeki, you need to translate them also because they are useful for the entire playerbase. It's like if Overwatch only did dev interviews and disccussions in French. You can't rely on fan translations and works, or in general focus only on 1/3rd of your playerbase. I don't mean altering the game, but at least the flow of information you can normalize a bit more, to prevent stuff like this.

    I'd go a little further and say JP need to seriously think about expanding their magazine culture in some form to the west, probably via website. They kind of lack serious mindshare in the west, and western games increasingly are what drives many console sales.
    You see, thats just the thing... I dont believe SE has all that much control over these interviews other than wether or not to hold them and which answers to give. SE doesn't publish them, the news outlets do, so technically they'd be the ones to hold accountable for translating them.
    And its not like SE never releases Information to the West, the Dev Blog exists for a reason. While I agree that the information given could certainly be meatier, I still find it somewhat unreasonable to hold SE to the ridiculous standard of releasing these Informations weeks -sometimes even months - in advance just on the off chance there might be an interview that may or may not include them and may or may not get mistranslated.
    Your hypothetical comment about Overwatch only applies to liveletters really. The only reason these new interviews were in japanese in the first place was because they were held at a japanese event. All interviews at E3 or Gamescom were held in english/maybe german (through an interpreter) with the japanese playerbase getting the short end of the stick. I'm not a fan of how the western playerbase keeps acting like the constant victim here while the japanese base has to deal with the same issues. (Though in all fairness I'll admit they usually don't have it quite as bad due to there being no language barrier.)

    Ultimately it's not that I disagree that SE needs to get better at PR, I just don't think it frees us as a community from the responsibility to use our reason and common sense to take things like fantranslations with a grain of salt - which is the whole reason I posted in this thread in the first place.
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    Last edited by ArcaneCarbuncle; 09-17-2018 at 02:52 AM.

  7. #67
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    I never bothered unlocking erueka because the entire concept sounded like a joke, and boy does a lot of the community that actually go into it agree that it is a joke. A bad one at that. I feel bad for my friends slamming their faces against this for their weapons, and if it is true about having to constantly reroll the stats on the weapon to get something you want/like, ouch...
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    It's probably going to be more of a dumpster fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    Are they going to fix pagos?
    The only fix I can see is reducing the frosted crystal turn in to 3, 6, and 9 respectively and allowing the exchange of Louhi Ice for Frosted Crystal. 2-3 ice for one Frosted crystal seems fair to me. The option to turn pagos crystals into cold warped boxes. Buffing the light gain or making lights static gains instead of RNG so you are guaranteed a gentle or higher light every 10th, 20th, 30th chain respectively with 30th being a newborn if you chain a sprite that adapted or mutated. However these fixes only take the casual player's time and fun into consideration so I doubt SE would do this immediately, if at all prior to 4.5.
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    Changing how light is gained is probably the only way to convince me. If nothing is changed and the next Eureka comes out I'll just level up and ignore the weapon.

    All Anemos weapons. Zero Pagos weapons. Due to Pagos I might see zero weapons next map too. I have better things to do.
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