Pyros... it's going to be lit

[Deceptus]

Well, might as well just jump in here:
The whole 'random substats' thing people get way to riled up about, yet again seems to be little more than the result of a unofficial shoddy translation of an already somewhat vague interview posted on reddit which people somehow have taken as gospel.

We wouldn't need unofficial translations if SE would be a global company and release translated transcripts. But they refuse to do this.

Perception is reality fella. They need to be in this thread actively dispelling the rumors if it's false. But guess what? The past has shown us that generally SE is pretty pigheaded about changing things once they've set their mind to it.

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

We wouldn't need unofficial translations if SE would be a global company and release translated transcripts. But they refuse to do this.

Perception is reality fella. They need to be in this thread actively dispelling the rumors if it's false. But guess what? The past has shown us that generally SE is pretty pigheaded about changing things once they've set their mind to it.

Except these Infos aren't directly from SE but from Interviews with japanese news outlets SE has otherwise little control over. I also don't see how this is even changing my point that people are simply jumping the gun here - and not for the first time.
I generally agree that SE should try and communicate more, but at the same time you can't expect to SE to try and have a mature, constructive discussion (well, as constructive as it can be over on the 'western' forums given the language barrier people always seem to conveniently forget or willfully ignore) if the playerbase keeps acting like a 5-year old throwing a tantrum over a wrong christmas present - while half the time not even knowing what the present is yet.
I guess my point is: I know SE can be 'pigheaded' as you put it - but so can the playerbase.

(And with this I'm done with the general forums for the next month, I can only take so much sodium...)

[Hestzhyen]

Except these Infos aren't directly from SE but from Interviews with japanese news outlets SE has otherwise little control over. I also don't see how this is even changing my point that people are simply jumping the gun here - and not for the first time.
I generally agree that SE should try and communicate more, but at the same time you can't expect to SE to try and have a mature, constructive discussion (well, as constructive as it can be over on the 'western' forums given the language barrier people always seem to conveniently forget or willfully ignore) if the playerbase keeps acting like a 5-year old throwing a tantrum over a wrong christmas present - while half the time not even knowing what the present is yet.
I guess my point is: I know SE can be 'pigheaded' as you put it - but so can the playerbase.

(And with this I'm done with the general forums for the next month, I can only take so much sodium...)

If they don't want us "throwing tantrums" over vague or mistranslated information, they should be responsible and translate it. I get that these are interviews but if they are going to do it, they know damn well by now that they have eager fans in the West that will hunt for info and do their best to share it. If they don't want misinformation to spread they need to be consistent and equal with how they communicate upcoming changes. If a random interview in a Japanese-only magazine is the only way they communicated the info and a good-willed but unskilled fan translator is what we have to work with, well, that's on SE. They have to realize by now that they are a global company with a global playerbase. They should stop pretending Western fans are just an unexpected bonus audience.

The only thing SE seems to learn from each iteration of Eureka is that if they put tantalizing enough rewards behind the content they can make complete and utter s*** and people will still do it. Sad times.

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

If they don't want us "throwing tantrums" over vague or mistranslated information, they should be responsible and translate it. I get that these are interviews but if they are going to do it, they know damn well by now that they have eager fans in the West that will hunt for info and do their best to share it. If they don't want misinformation to spread they need to be consistent and equal with how they communicate upcoming changes. If a random interview in a Japanese-only magazine is the only way they communicated the info and a good-willed but unskilled fan translator is what we have to work with, well, that's on SE. They have to realize by now that they are a global company with a global playerbase. They should stop pretending Western fans are just an unexpected bonus audience.

The only thing SE seems to learn from each iteration of Eureka is that if they put tantalizing enough rewards behind the content they can make complete and utter s*** and people will still do it. Sad times.

What do you expect them to do though? Release a full rundown of Pyros' mechanics 2 months in advance just in case some rando interviewer may or may not ask a questtion they may or may not actually answer just so they can avoid some random fan translation spreading information that may or may not be mistranslated?
Sorry that just sound utopic to me.
I've already stated that I'd love for SE to communicate more, and I recognize that SE is far from perfect; but I also recognize that things aren't as easy as the playerbase likes to make them sound sometimes.
Is it truly to much to ask of the playerbase to show at least a modicum of reason? Especially if we are gonna ask SE for the same?

But hey, I can already see I'm not getting anywhere; so I'm done wasting my time here.

[Yzuna]

Is it truly to much to ask of the playerbase to show at least a modicum of reason? Especially if we are gonna ask SE for the same?

But hey, I can already see I'm not getting anywhere; so I'm done wasting my time here.

Anemos was bad, Pagos is awful. So I'd say people are concerned, and rightly so, even if it comes from a third party interview, and the translation might not be perfect.

[RiyahArp]

Except these Infos aren't directly from SE but from Interviews with japanese news outlets SE has otherwise little control over. I also don't see how this is even changing my point that people are simply jumping the gun here - and not for the first time.)

I agree with all your points in general, but the problem is that Japanese companies in general need to stop doing the JP first mentality. Like you publish these long, in-depth interviews in Dengeki, you need to translate them also because they are useful for the entire playerbase. It's like if Overwatch only did dev interviews and disccussions in French. You can't rely on fan translations and works, or in general focus only on 1/3rd of your playerbase. I don't mean altering the game, but at least the flow of information you can normalize a bit more, to prevent stuff like this.

I'd go a little further and say JP need to seriously think about expanding their magazine culture in some form to the west, probably via website. They kind of lack serious mindshare in the west, and western games increasingly are what drives many console sales.

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

I agree with all your points in general, but the problem is that Japanese companies in general need to stop doing the JP first mentality. Like you publish these long, in-depth interviews in Dengeki, you need to translate them also because they are useful for the entire playerbase. It's like if Overwatch only did dev interviews and disccussions in French. You can't rely on fan translations and works, or in general focus only on 1/3rd of your playerbase. I don't mean altering the game, but at least the flow of information you can normalize a bit more, to prevent stuff like this.

I'd go a little further and say JP need to seriously think about expanding their magazine culture in some form to the west, probably via website. They kind of lack serious mindshare in the west, and western games increasingly are what drives many console sales.

You see, thats just the thing... I dont believe SE has all that much control over these interviews other than wether or not to hold them and which answers to give. SE doesn't publish them, the news outlets do, so technically they'd be the ones to hold accountable for translating them.
And its not like SE never releases Information to the West, the Dev Blog exists for a reason. While I agree that the information given could certainly be meatier, I still find it somewhat unreasonable to hold SE to the ridiculous standard of releasing these Informations weeks -sometimes even months - in advance just on the off chance there might be an interview that may or may not include them and may or may not get mistranslated.
Your hypothetical comment about Overwatch only applies to liveletters really. The only reason these new interviews were in japanese in the first place was because they were held at a japanese event. All interviews at E3 or Gamescom were held in english/maybe german (through an interpreter) with the japanese playerbase getting the short end of the stick. I'm not a fan of how the western playerbase keeps acting like the constant victim here while the japanese base has to deal with the same issues. (Though in all fairness I'll admit they usually don't have it quite as bad due to there being no language barrier.)

Ultimately it's not that I disagree that SE needs to get better at PR, I just don't think it frees us as a community from the responsibility to use our reason and common sense to take things like fantranslations with a grain of salt - which is the whole reason I posted in this thread in the first place.