Pyros... it's going to be lit

[einschwartz]

I'm barely interested in Pyros because the multi-layered RNG in Pagos has put me off (I like Anemos tho). But allow me to express a feeling I had while reading this:

"The secondaries [of your relic] are randomized so if you want high stats, you're going to have to reroll multiple times"

Oh come on. I retire from grindy-RNG-fest korean mmo to play this game only to see this kind of thing haunts me back?

[Claviusnex]

It doesn't bother me what they do with Pyros. I gave up on Pagos after a couple of tries and will not go back. In fact Pagos was the proverbial straw as I've canceled my sub and will stop logging in after my house demos in a few days.

[Marxam]

I feel like Pyros will have:

-NM fates for leveling
-"Bunny" fates that drop lootboxes that drop Logos actions parts
-Multiple Logos parts needed for crafting actions
-No mount at the start of Pyros
-Another lack luster storyline that can be summed up as "Thanks for getting me this now go away till you are a higher level"
-Heavy RNG and luck tied progression
-Repetitive excessive grinds
-Rare drops that you might never see drop

Though I'm just guessing here so I'm pretty sure this won't happen coming after Pagos and given how Yoshi and team loves to listen to the player community.

[Solarra]

I refuse to pay money to force myself through content I'm not enjoying.

Preach!
I've seen people here and on Reddit defending Eureka because they didn't find the older relics any fun, either. They might have a point, but that's a terrible reason to keep this content as it is. And for all their faults, at least the older relics had multiple progression paths.

The only real fix I can see that would salvage it is to make it so all NM's give a reasonable amount of light..

That might get me back into Pagos and onto Pyros. The main attraction being I could go into Pagos with friends who are at lower levels and actually play with them.

I suspect this content is having a detrimental effect on the open world (there's no reason to go there now besides hunts), and I suspect it's having a bad effect on player retention. SB is content-light; my Friendlist is dwindling, my FC list has so many people taking breaks. We are struggling to find stuff to do together. The relic was something everyone did last expansion, from the most casual to the hardcore raiders and we all worked on it together. Now we can't.

Social contact is the whole point of playing an MMO. It was the only thing I enjoyed about Anemos, the players made that content not merely bearable but fun, Pagos killed that.

[Cabalabob]

I have to admit, as someone who finished 4 relics in ARR and HW, I’ve yet to even get my first relic through pagos. I got step 1 and 2 done through levelling to 35, that felt natural, my relic progressed as I did, much like how light farming in HW came from content I was doing anyway. But then step 3 requires MORE LIGHT FARMING THAN STEP 1 AND 2 COMBINED when I’m already finished with any progression in pagos, so I’m farming that light for the sake of farming that light and nothing else. That’s where I left it and I don’t know if I can motivate myself to pick it back up, let alone do 3 more. This is the first time for a relic where I’ve thought “I’ll Just wait til they nerf it”.

That said, I am going to TRY and force myself through the light farm for at least one relic because I am interested in pyros for the logos system. When I saw the magia board in anemos I felt it was kind of an underdeveloped system and it would have been better if they’d just gone for a system similar to the paradigm system in 13 and that sounds like what the logos system is aiming to be.

[Derio]

No use if pagos is broken.

[UnstablePersonality]

90% of the community will never see pyros or at least the relic from it, Eureka might as well be failed content now, and pagos killed it.

[AppleJinx]

I am all caught up on eureka stuff but I think I'll wait til everything are figured out before I jump in like I did for pagos. But what the heckie is with the random secondary stats though?! They really don't want people to be making multiple weapons when the content is relevant do they.

[Vulcwen]

How bad the secondary RNG is would depend on several factors:
- Is just the stat selection randomized, or also the number of stats and how much of a given stat you get (range of possiblities)
- How much grind does it take for an attempt.

Regardless, it'll be gated behind pagos, which I'm just not going to sit through.

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

But what the heckie is with the random secondary stats though?! They really don't want people to be making multiple weapons when the content is relevant do they.

How bad the secondary RNG is would depend on several factors:
- Is just the stat selection randomized, or also the number of stats and how much of a given stat you get (range of possiblities)
- How much grind does it take for an attempt.

Well, might as well just jump in here:
The whole 'random substats' thing people get way to riled up about, yet again seems to be little more than the result of a unofficial shoddy translation of an already somewhat vague interview posted on reddit which people somehow have taken as gospel.

This Interview has been picked apart and retranslated by now, as well as another few tidbits have been posted from another interview which pretty much show its not even half as bad as people make it out to be.

The 'random stats' aren't that random, in fact, you get to choose which substats to roll on with however many rerolls as you want. Given that these stats seem to be randomly higher than usual on occasion, I can't imagine it being too hard to get a capable weapon out of it at all. A 'perfect' one may be difficult, but who knows wether SE has some sort of RNG failsafe in place.
So all in all this seem to me like this relics version of 'choose your own stats', just with its own twist. (Ofc, think about the randomness what you will, but its still miles better than the Diadem weapons - and far from what people are accusing it to be)

Also, given that we're also getting new Armor this time around I don't belive the Weapons will be all that grindy either, but we'll just have to wait and see.

I mean, I get it, Pagos legitimately sucked, Eureka as a whole is divisive, yadda yadda, but sometimes I really wish people would at least have the decency to not judge yet to be released content based on unofficial fan-translations.
(Sidenote: None of this last paragraph was directed at the two people I quoted, in fact I find those two posts to be some of the more reasonable ones. Just used them cause the clarifications happened to answer them Also: Source)