Being a bad mentor(we should be able to report ppl for being a bad mentor)

[Frostwolfz1]

hello,

I am a beginner when it comes to extreme dungeons and stuff. When me and a friend tried "the striking tree(extreme)" We were joined by a mentor what is pretty nice because that means we have more chance of succes. I did watch a guide how this dungeon works i after a few tries i got the feeling for the mechanics. But today we encounterd a mentor that refused to tell anything and said that this wasnt worth his time because he only wanted the mount.In my opinion, this is not how i imagined the mentor system would work.Being a mentor means that you are willing to help new players with things. Ppl like this guy is not a worthy mentor and i think that we should be able to report ppl that use the mentor system this way. I understand that it can be really annoying to be a mentor sometimes but saying that you are only willing to help because you can get a mount and dodging all the trails that are a little be more harder is not really a mentor mentality

[Moonfish]

Extremes are a bit more than “more harder” and you will find more success if you use the party finder. If you don’t want it to be faceroll easy then be sure to make it clear it’s a synced min item level first time clear.

It’s not really up to you what a mentor should be, either. These mentors are human too, with flaws and everything. If someone doesn’t want to hold your hand through harder content they don’t have to.

[Kerwin]

Being a bad player. I should be able to report someone for this right? (Not just mentors)

Oh wait...

[BillyKaplan]

It has been a while since the last Mentor thread, too...

Moonfish summed up most of what I wanted to say. In actuality, Mentors owe you very little beyond basic etiquette of not harassing you. Even the requirement of offering gameplay advice is severely limited by the person's own ability to provide it - it can be anything from not remembering the content well enough (there are a lot of duties in that roulette) or them not being good at explaining it. Neither is a requirement set by SE to being a Mentor, so what are you going to report them for?

As for the mount, I've said it for a while now, SE's biggest mistake was to tie that roulette with its shiny 2k mount to the Mentor system. It's ok to want to fill in queues, but they've created a system where people who don't adhere to the ideal will inevitably fill it - and SE wants them to do so because they need that sweet, sweet queue fodder.
So I get your frustration, but ultimately your disappointment comes from irrelevant expectations. Mentors are people, not saints.

[Tanathya]

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From a former Mentor standpoint, let me tell you that you are the kind of people who deserve the worst (in the game, of course). Not you personally as I don't know you, but you as the collective who usually complain about Mentors. You are being called out for not knowing the BASICS of your job, for not wearing the bare minimum gear acceptable, or simply for your attitude, and are utterly offended by it no matter how nice the Mentor, or whoever called you out are talking to you. Like I said in a couple other threads a while ago, I stopped being a Mentor so I could throw in a couple of insults to make you guys feel bad for some things you should feel very bad about: wasting my and my partners' time in the form of being severely and purposedly undergeared or, again, not knowing the very basics of your job. For example, I don't find it acceptable to get a DRG only spamming their Full Thrust combo. You guys want everything extremely sugarcoated, and even when that happens, you ignore what's being said to you. You just want to be carried, which raises the question; why are you playing in the first place?

[NephthysVasudan]

<mentor woes>

You CAN report them actually.


Mentors are not forced to teach...they are however expected...dare i say..required...to represent the best the community has to offer.
How they treat other players is what GM's care about.
If they disrupt the dungeon/trial run..sabotage it..verbally treat players very baddy and abusively....GM's consider that inappropriate behavior. Especially if sprouts are present.

You file a harassment petition.

However, if they just chose to join...silently play...and leave? Then there's nothing you can do.
Mentor's are not required to teach.
They are required however to be respectable...contrary to popular opinion.

I however will agree with you...they should not be wearing that crown if they are not prepared to render assistance.
But that is a matter of opinion in this case...until such time SE chooses otherwise.

Again...mentor's do not have to do anything other than clear content just like anyone else without intentionally sabotaging or disrupting.

So all you can do is report them for verbal abuse of newbies...and other players in kind.

Keep in mind - its a two way street....if you where abusive in kind....you will find yourself staring down an GM in kind.

[RubixCube]

Quite a few people attacking the OP over this...

The whole point of the mentor system is to enable older members to work to assist and help newer members with trials, dungeons and other elements of gameplay they may not know. Being a mentor is not something that SE assigns against a person's will. It is applied for, and when a person signs up to be a mentor player, they are signing up to be on hand to guide and support newer players through aspects of the game.

The OP has given no indication of their skill and they did everything right before entering an extreme trial, so the comments above assuming that it must have been due to bad play or ilevel are, quite frankly, rude. They read up on the guide, reviewed the mechanics and entered the trial hoping to try and clear it. Mentors are certainly not saintly beings, but they are supposed to be there to assist and provide guidance to novice players. That's the entire point of taking on that optional role.

If this mentor refused to offer that basic help, focussing instead on their own needs in the ex-trial (which they entered via the mentor roulette), then they shouldn't be a mentor, period, and the OP isn't in the wrong for calling them out on that. It is indicative that the system needs some revision to stop people from abusing it for the sake of earning rewards, rather than out of a genuine desire to help other players.

Sorry that you had a rough time, Frostwolf, hope your other attempts at the trial go better.

[HyoMinPark]

But today we encounterd a mentor that refused to tell anything and said that this wasnt worth his time because he only wanted the mount.In my opinion, this is not how i imagined the mentor system would work.

As others have said, it was a mistake to ever lock something like a two-seater mount behind 2,000 Mentor Roulettes. Because it does attract the types of players that only are in it for the shinies, and to not actually teach people. The mentor you encountered here was someone who is not deserving of their Mentor title, nor the rewards. Sadly, the GMs do not seem to have any sort of protocol in place for stripping bad Mentors of their titles. Best you can do is report these individuals to a GM, and hope they take action on the harassment premise. This is only really likely if the Mentor in question was using extremely foul language towards you and the others, though.

Being a mentor means that you are willing to help new players with things. Ppl like this guy is not a worthy mentor and i think that we should be able to report ppl that use the mentor system this way. I understand that it can be really annoying to be a mentor sometimes but saying that you are only willing to help because you can get a mount and dodging all the trails that are a little be more harder is not really a mentor mentality

You are right with regards to your first statement. However, I want to offer another perspective for you to also consider. Note that this is in no way excusing the actions of the Mentor that you encountered. But I wanted to say this because you mentioned how it can be “annoying” to be a mentor at times.

I became a Mentor shortly after the system was released. Before then, I always tried to offer mechanics advice to players that were new, and for jobs that I knew how to play, I would try to offer rotational advice if I noticed something wrong (no AOE, healer struggling with MP, etc.). And I used to do this frequently. However, I have encountered a lot of individuals that have, instead of responding kindly to the advice, instead get overly offended and downright hostile towards me in response. Being told that I’m an elitist for asking BRDs to use songs, for asking healers to use Lucid to manage their aggro, for asking tanks to Provoke a boss or even to use tank stance to help them hold hate better (I’m talking about where they aren’t using a stance at all—not them being in a DPS stance)...it has left me a bit jaded, and now I am silent. I haven’t done any Mentor Roulettes since HW. The last time I offered a new player mechanic advice, they told me to “f*ck off and shut it”; this was in The Aery. /shrug

It’s also very annoying when you give advice, and you’re just blatantly ignored. :/

Again, I’m not excusing this Mentor’s actions, but just giving you the more...”annoying” side to being a Mentor. It could very well be that he’s just in it for the mount and doesn’t want to help, but it could also be that he’s become jaded like so many other Mentors. I know a lot that have just turned off their crowns entirely. That doesn’t excuse his verbal abuse, if there was any though. Hopefully your future encounters with Mentors will yield to you some of the nice ones.

[Penthea]

It’s not really up to you what a mentor should be, either. These mentors are human too, with flaws and everything. If someone doesn’t want to hold your hand through harder content they don’t have to.

Did you just tell a new player to not expect help from people who flag themselves as willing to help new players?

No one is forced to use the mentor tag. You can turn it on and off as you please. If a person isn't in the mood to be a mentor then they should take the tag off.

[Sotaris]

Can you report bad players too if you could report a bad mentor? Lol.