Level Syncing isn't the best solution

[Dzian]

It IS the best FINAL FANTASY MMO with its approach to storytelling, that is undisputable.
And of course "Story first" it is NOT this game's Achilles heel, as evidenced by the reception of it and the marginally bigger total player count than any other FINAL FANTASY MMO at the same point of its lifecycle.

I always find this amusing. XIV is heavily marketed .they spend bucket loads on pr and marketing hype for it. And it's playerbase is to quote you. "marginally bigger" than the other final fantasy MMO.

It's funny because the other final fantasy MMO had almost no marketing at all in comparison especially in the West.. A lot of people only found out it existed when the ps games jumped from 10 to 12... what happened to 11?? Or they happened to chance it on a shelf in a shop.

XIV pulls players in by the truck load but they just don't stay largely because of the story...
It's pulled in over 10 million players. Yet it's playerbase is "marginally bigger" than the other final fantasy MMO.

Can you really say xiv has a better approach to story telling than xi did?

[kikix12]

Final Fantasy XI had a lot of marketing as well. I've seen adds of FFXI before it was out and over the early duration of its existence if I recall. To be honest, I personally saw FFXI adds more frequently when it was fresh than I did FFXIV.

That being said, comparing those two in such a way is absolutely horrible. There are many players that would be interested in FFXIV at any point of its life, but weren't due to how much they invested in FFXI. If FFXI was after FFXIV, it'd have the same issue. That's because both RPG's are fundamentally aiming at the same market, so unless there's something REALLY wrong (like...what was the case with both MMO's early on in their life), the first one out have a massive advantage.

As for MMO's...one could technically count Mobius Final Fantasy...though that's a mobile-style RPG mixed with cards mixed with "Pay tons or you suck"...thus it doesn't even have a semblance of balance.

[Spiroth]

Balancing a system like this would be a nightmare - how would you propose balancing a level 70 rotation in Sastasha against a tank that's a level 15 GLA or MRD with a fraction of the skills you have? Mind you, neither have full combos until level 26 and level 30 respectfully, and neither have a tank stance either. It can already be difficult enough being item level synced against a new tank in lower level dungeons with at-level gear; I got Qarn earlier on my alt's AST (full i130 Augmented Poetics) and was pulling from a baby WAR in a mixture of i30 and i35 gear with just Malefics.

Even if you nerfed the damage of the level 70 player by 90%, at that point, why bother? I'd rather have my skeletal level 15 toolkit scaled to Sastasha's level than my full 70 kit scaled down that low. It would just feel bad at that point.

I don't think this is something the game needs currently. If you want to practice a level 70 rotation, there is plenty of level 70 content you can queue directly in to and practice, from dungeons to raids.



Uhm, last I checked, there were only 2: Final Fantasy XI and Final Fantasy XIV. Unless you're counting 1.0 and ARR separately, I'm unaware of a third FF MMO currently on the market.

FINAL FANTASY Type-0 Online

[Spiroth]

The best you got is a "no u"? Nice.

If we were reliving the instance through the echo we would necessarily have to be the job we originally were or it wouldn't really be "reliving" it.

Basically the lore angle is crap.

Please try harder to troll.
Echo is not "relive events with the same job we were. We can basically experience the Echo even in stuff we were not there to begin with.

[Spiroth]

I always find this amusing. XIV is heavily marketed .they spend bucket loads on pr and marketing hype for it. And it's playerbase is to quote you. "marginally bigger" than the other final fantasy MMO.

It's funny because the other final fantasy MMO had almost no marketing at all in comparison especially in the West.. A lot of people only found out it existed when the ps games jumped from 10 to 12... what happened to 11?? Or they happened to chance it on a shelf in a shop.

XIV pulls players in by the truck load but they just don't stay largely because of the story...
It's pulled in over 10 million players. Yet it's playerbase is "marginally bigger" than the other final fantasy MMO.

Can you really say xiv has a better approach to story telling than xi did?

If marginally means "very little" I used the wrong word.
Ii meant "alot more".
Sorry, English is not my first language.

So, yeah, it's alot more.

And yeah FINAL FANTASY XIV's approach to storytelling is miles better than FINAL FANTASY XI's. Iit's basically the one indisputable thing it does better than FINAL FANTASY XI.

[Dualgunner]

Please try harder to troll.
Echo is not "relive events with the same job we were. We can basically experience the Echo even in stuff we were not there to begin with.

Then there's no reason, from a lore perspective, that we have to be level locked.

[GunksFoy]

I actually had this conversation yesterday. I feel like, at the very least, we could have all class abilities in any dungeon. I.e. all abilities 1-50 except the job ones. This would limit the number of skills they need to scale, but also provide Dragoons more to do at level 25 and below than Heavy Thurst -> Impulse Drive ad nauseum (just an example.)

That said, I'm also totally fine with having all abilities, and would prefer it. I don't think balance is important at all in lower level content, aside from tanks still being able to hold aggro. But with the enmity buffs from 4.0, holding aggro is easier then ever. However, I feel like granting the class skills would at least make dungeons like Sastasha bearable.

Red Mage is actually a good example of this - by the time you hit level 10, you have all the spells necessary to utilize Dualcast, and by 30 you have your full spell ST spell repertoire except Verholy and Verflare. This makes Red Mage very enjoyable at lower levels, as you don't feel nearly as gimped.

EDIT: Red Mages don't get their oGCDs until later, but as far as GCD skills go, my point stands. Didn't want to get "gotcha'd" on that point.

[Sigma-Astra]

Did you bother to read the OP? In particular, I call your attention here:

I think you missed the sarcasm in her post....by a long shot.

[Vrankyl]

It's more than just damage too though. A lot of ogcds for classes are beyond over powered for lower level dungeons that aren't potency based. As someone said earlier Triple Cast for BLM. It doesn't matter how far down you scale Flare's damage, a Triple Cast Flare is still going to demolish anything an appropriate leveled BLM can pull off. Why would you want to deal with the new lvl 25 Gladiator in Toto-Rak when you could just bring in a lvl 70 PLD who has access to Clemency, Bulwark, Hallowed Ground, Circle of Scorn, Total Eclipse, Shield Oath, Sheltron, Holy Spirit, Passage of Arms, Cover, in addition to a full combo kit? Or why would you bring the lvl 25 Conjurer when you could just bring the lvl 70 WHM who has Benediction, Divine Benison, Tetra, Assize, Asylum, Holy, Thin Air, and Presence of Mind. How do you balance that? How do you prevent people from completely alienating new players?

[Kirsten_Rev]

I think you missed the sarcasm in her post....by a long shot.

I didn't. The sarcasm ridiculed the idea in general, which is fine - there are a lot of problems with it - but overpowered level 70s isn't one of them, at least based on the OP. A sarcastic post that would have worked would have focused on, say, the perfect and effortless-to-maintain balance that would oh-so-surely result from such a system.