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    Spiroth's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Balancing a system like this would be a nightmare - how would you propose balancing a level 70 rotation in Sastasha against a tank that's a level 15 GLA or MRD with a fraction of the skills you have? Mind you, neither have full combos until level 26 and level 30 respectfully, and neither have a tank stance either. It can already be difficult enough being item level synced against a new tank in lower level dungeons with at-level gear; I got Qarn earlier on my alt's AST (full i130 Augmented Poetics) and was pulling from a baby WAR in a mixture of i30 and i35 gear with just Malefics.

    Even if you nerfed the damage of the level 70 player by 90%, at that point, why bother? I'd rather have my skeletal level 15 toolkit scaled to Sastasha's level than my full 70 kit scaled down that low. It would just feel bad at that point.

    I don't think this is something the game needs currently. If you want to practice a level 70 rotation, there is plenty of level 70 content you can queue directly in to and practice, from dungeons to raids.



    Uhm, last I checked, there were only 2: Final Fantasy XI and Final Fantasy XIV. Unless you're counting 1.0 and ARR separately, I'm unaware of a third FF MMO currently on the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroth View Post
    FINAL FANTASY Type-0 Online
    Smartphone online games are not really in the same basket as PC/console ones though. Otherwise we could just call FF Brave Exvius, Record Keeper etc or even Pokémon Go an MMO...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroth View Post
    Why do you make this point? I was replying to what I quoted.
    Also, there are 3 FINAL FANTASY MMOs.
    Because you kept stressing it like it was some huge feat and one of your points were disputable as what's the "best" is pure opinion.

    Also what's the 3rd mmo? Because SE only has 3 mmos and the 3rd one is I believe Dragon Quest, which isn't Final Fantasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OurMom View Post
    Because you kept stressing it like it was some huge feat and one of your points were disputable as what's the "best" is pure opinion.

    Also what's the 3rd mmo? Because SE only has 3 mmos and the 3rd one is I believe Dragon Quest, which isn't Final Fantasy.
    Read again.
    Someone said that there is already another FF MMO that does storytelling better than FFXIV.
    I said that there isn't.
    You replied what you replied. Next time you reply, have context please.


    Also, for the millionth time, FINAL FANTASY Type-0 Online. Read people.
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    Last edited by Spiroth; 09-11-2018 at 04:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroth View Post
    Read again.
    Someone said that there is already another FF MMO that does storytelling better than FFXIV.
    I said that there isn't.
    Again, that's disputable, you keep saying it isn't but all of that is purely opinion

    Also, for the millionth time, FINAL FANTASY Type-0 Online. Read people.
    That's not what people consider an mmo, which is why if you google mmos by square enix (which is what I did when I saw your comment) only three comes up, one of which isn't FF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroth View Post
    Read again.
    Someone said that there is already another FF MMO that does storytelling better than FFXIV.
    I said that there isn't.
    You replied what you replied. Next time you reply, have context please.


    Also, for the millionth time, FINAL FANTASY Type-0 Online. Read people.
    You can't argue that people aren't reading when you're trying to pawn off a mobile game as an MMO and they're not even CLOSE towards the same genre tropes, expectations, or stipulations involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroth View Post
    Read again.
    Someone said that there is already another FF MMO that does storytelling better than FFXIV.
    I said that there isn't
    .
    That was me.
    I even elaborated as to why XI did story telling much better than XIV earlier in thread.

    even went on to ask you why you think XIV does it so much better and you think thats an undisputed fact.. If you care to counter my points and elaborate on why you believe it is undisputedly better then please do..

    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroth View Post
    You replied what you replied. Next time you reply, have context please.
    also you yourself need context if you are going to make an apparantly undisputed statement.
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    Last edited by Dzian; 09-11-2018 at 08:54 PM.

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    I do see why they wont give us stuff like tripplecast or flare in lv 30-ish stuff, but still, at least let us keep basic rotations and maybe abilitys 2-5 lvl above the sync, so its not only 1-2-1-2 all the time...
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    No one can complain about the crap that was the SB release, and the wonderful job adjustments it brought, unless you played SCH before it was fixed. Your fairie is too strong, lets nerf her, your DPS is too powerful lets nerf it, your shields are too strong lets make the other shields in the game stronger, a healer shouldn't have AoE that strong lets remove all of your spamable AoE choices and nerf the hell out of your main one. GRRRR!!!!!

    Ironically level-syncing for SCH back then, and even now kinda, is a good thing.

    (Not saying people can't complain, though technically I did, lol. It's just that compared to the other Jobs, SCH was hit the hardest)
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    I like helping people with their Job ideas, it's fun to help them visuallize and create the job they'd like to play most. Plus I make my own too, I'll post them eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabril View Post
    I spend a lot of my time level synced in this game while doing various quests and roulettes. It feels like I scratched and clawed my way to level 70 only to be level 50 again.

    I think there can be another solution- like simply lowering the output of our spells to be on par with what we're doing. I have a level 70 rotation and I should be able to use and practice my level 70 rotation. Even if it doesn't do all the damage that it does at level 70, I should still be able to use it when doing lower level content.

    I know... people are going to rebel and claim that this cannot be done.

    This is not a new concept- There are other MMOs who have pulled this off. It's not impossible. It can be done. This company has the money to pull this off. It's a multi-billion dollar company. People should be rewarded for making maximum level- not have it taken away from them- also, the more practice I get at my max level rotation, the better I'll be at it.
    May I ask why you're doing sub-70 Roulette content? I think if you're feeling pushed into it, that might be the more relevant issue here than the level sync mechanism.

    Also, I don't know that it should be coming up on quests. Most quest content - minus EX Primals and Raids - is solo'able at 70. Can you think of quest specifics where this came up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    (Not saying people can't complain, though technically I did, lol. It's just that compared to the other Jobs, SCH was hit the hardest)
    WHM was hit pretty hard too, with several of our highly beneficial and previously-native abilities (Protect, Cleric's Stance, Largesse (previously Divine Seal), Lucid Dreaming, Esuna) suddenly being stolen from us and thrown into the Role pool.
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    Last edited by Kirsten_Rev; 09-09-2018 at 03:29 PM.

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