Level Syncing isn't the best solution

[Reynhart]

Who says that's what everyone or even most people want?

Don't do the roulette if you personnaly don't want to.

Who says that my friend doesn't mind being carried?

Run in unsync mode as a duo.

Why force dungeons/lore (that some people dont care about) on people and then take their levels away?

You don't have to do dungeons more than once if you don't like it. The first time you do it, changes are you're of the proper level, and if not, run unsync.

Amazing how people conveniently forget every option they have to complain about the option they don't like as being the only one...

[SannaR]

Who says that's what everyone or even most people want?
Who says that my friend doesn't mind being carried?
Why force dungeons/lore (that some people dont care about) on people and then take their levels away?

So while what you're saying is an "option maybe" it shouldn't be because it should not have been designed like that in the first place.

I don't know of any other mmo that does this and yet they're all managing some how....

FFXI had it in an expansion no less where it had many zones instanced or not that would sync you down to a lower level and stopping you from from using higher skills and magic. It also made you have to carry gear that you could use at 30, 40, 50 and 60. It's no longer like that and I'm not sure how they deal with level sync these days.

[OurMom]

Amazing how people conveniently forget every option they have to complain about the option they don't like as being the only one...

And if getting synced down bothers you so much you could just not queue in roulettes that can do that. Crazy idea I know. Obviously I'm some nugget of genius given so many here haven't considered this.

I do not run anything under level cap because I don't want to be sync'd down. I also run very little ilvl sync content as well, I just don't understand why I'm progressing if the game is going to take it away with like 90% of the content. It just makes zero sense to me.

It's like that almost wasn't you being sarcastic but your actual level of intelligence there.


I love when people reply to my comment of me saying what I don't do....to tell me....I don't have to do it.... truly amazing.

FFXI had it in an expansion no less where it had many zones instanced or not that would sync you down to a lower level and stopping you from from using higher skills and magic. It also made you have to carry gear that you could use at 30, 40, 50 and 60. It's no longer like that and I'm not sure how they deal with level sync these days.

That sounds just awful, an entire area? No thanks. I've played almost every mmo out there and it seems like they all get by without level syncing. It's like players there actually talk to each other and ask for help or the content is worth going back to or people just don't get if someone blows through it.

Not sure what it is, but level syncing is just awful to me.

[Sigma-Astra]

Why force dungeons/lore (that some people dont care about) on people and then take their levels away?

You must be new to the Final Fantasy franchise in which story/lore is literally it's backbone when concerning their games and everything else comes second.

[OurMom]

You must be new to the Final Fantasy franchise in which story/lore is literally it's backbone when concerning their games and everything else comes second.

I'm tired of this excuse it doesn't mean anything.

Once they slap MMO on to FF it becomes just that, mmo players, play mmorpgs. And every single mmo I've played (with the exception of bdo, I mean bdo has lore it's just the equivalent of a coloring book) has story/lore that all provides reasons as to why you're in x area and why you're in x dungeons. What mmo out there literally has no lore? That's not even me being sarcastic I'd honestly want to play that since I don't have much to play right now anyway.


Also if because "it's a FF game it can't deviate from what it is" is a legit, logical reasoning then this game shouldn't exist at all because the FF franchise is mostly single player rpgs so....they need to stay true to that.

[Sigma-Astra]

I'm tired of this excuse it doesn't mean anything.

Once they slap MMO on to FF it becomes just that, mmo players, play mmorpgs. And every single mmo I've played (with the except of bdo) has story/lore that all provides reasons as to why you're in x area and why you're in x dungeons. What mmo out there literally has no lore? That's not even me being sarcastic I'd honestly want to play that since I don't have much to play right now anyway.


Also if because "it's a FF game it can't deviate from what it is" is a legit, logical reasoning then this game shouldn't exist at all because the FF franchise is mostly single player rpgs so....they need to stay true to that.

It's not an excuse, that is literally what they do. They are Story/Lore first and everything else comes second. This is not like every other single MMO you've ever played. Why do you think they focus so heavily on completing the MSQ and locking content BEHIND that when most other MMO's don't?

You want an MMO that doesn't tie you down to lore? Then, go play Ragnarok Online where everything is a grindfest and literally it does not matter whether you're paying attention to the lore or not.

SE has always, always been, whether you like it or not, pushed their stories in FF games.

I'm sorry if that's not what you want to hear, personally, but it is what it is.

[Reynhart]

I love when people reply to my comment of me saying what I don't do....to tell me....I don't have to do it.... truly amazing.

"Yeah, I'm asking questions about a topic I don't care about and pick on those who answer, look how smart I am"...

Seriously, if you don't do level synced content, why are you even posting here ?

[OurMom]

Why do you think they focus so heavily on completing the MSQ and locking content BEHIND that when most other MMO's don't?

To push those cash shop items they're selling. When HW came out and that huge issue with the forced MSQs came into play, did they fix it? No they added cash shop items. So it's either to push those or that they have no idea what they're doing mmorpg wise.

go play Ragnarok Online where everything is a grindfest and literally it does not matter whether you're paying attention to the lore or not.

Not paying attention to lore/story =/= having absolutely no lore. Again every mmorpg has lore/story I can't think of any that forces AND takes away your progression as results of said forced story.

I'm sorry if that's not what you want to hear, personally, but it is what it is.

It's not about what I want to hear it's about how forced stories + level syncing is a bad design for a mmorpg with progression. Hence why their retention rate is so awful.

"Yeah, I'm asking questions about a topic I don't care about and pick on those who answer, look how smart I am"...

Seriously, if you don't do level synced content, why are you even posting here ?

I don't know if you're being serious or you're seriously this slow. Did you read what the person I was responding to said at all? I mean it's one thing if I randomly posted that but I was obviously replying to someone. You should probably read the post someone is replying to, so you can know what's going on but here let me help you out.

Person A made a claim that people don't run roulettes content because it takes away their skills.

Person B said that's not true, people dont run roulettes because they don't need to run the content any more, by either being done leveling, capped on tomes, etc. And that it has nothing to do with level syncing.

So I replied to person B saying "I actually don't run roulettes because I don't like to be level sync'd"

To which you replied with "HEY DONT DO LEVEL SYNC'D CONTENT THEN OMG!"

Glad to clear that up.

[Deceptus]

"Yeah, I'm asking questions about a topic I don't care about and pick on those who answer, look how smart I am"...

Seriously, if you don't do level synced content, why are you even posting here ?

Because one of the points of this thread is attempting to think of ways to bring people who normally don't do certain kinds of content, into the content they don't do. Specifically level synced content.

And rewarding max level characters for the time they've put in and not making them feel weaker.

[Sigma-Astra]

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Honestly, all I can tell you is that if you're sincerely, and I mean sincerely, against the idea of level sync....then perhaps you should invest your time into some other MMO that might make you happy?

Because, I really doubt that they're going to changes things this far into its life cycle.

I know, you've probably heard that one a million times too. But, I do seriously doubt that things will ever change.